When will covid end ? Please be nice and respectful to others

[fraybentos1]

56 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Im not worried at all, accepting of it all now. And fine, we'll see won't we

Mate you've been wrong at almost every point during this. Pretty sure you said we wouldn't unlock in the summer and there'd be no festivals

[efcfanwirral]

6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Mate you've been wrong at almost every point during this. Pretty sure you said we wouldn't unlock in the summer and there'd be no festivals

Yep and we were lucky the government was willing to risk this in winter to let it happen. I really really hope they hold their nerve 

[efcfanwirral]

People up in arms about this "mercifully low deaths" comment. I must've missed sensitivity training that day because its my thoughts too...

[JoeyT]

My local county has been battered by the false negative PCR thing.

Look at this:

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

People up in arms about this "mercifully low deaths" comment. I must've missed sensitivity training that day because its my thoughts too...

It’s just fake SAGE trying to make out that any deaths are a problem 

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 hours ago, JoeyT said:

If “people doing their bit” is simply wearing a mask or opening a window then make it a fucking rule if you’re that bothered. Jesus.

What’s the point in wearing a mask to Tesco if you’ve got 10k people at an indoor gig down the road etc.

The logic is ridiculous. 

Surely the logic is that vulnerable people should be nowhere near a 10k capacity indoor gig? 

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

It’s just fake SAGE trying to make out that any deaths are a problem 

Or nearly a 1000 in a week.

[efcfanwirral]

OK so we really are at a weird crossroads here - there is so much noise saying the NHS is in big trouble. Now I have no idea if these are the hated lot but read some of the anecdotal stuff below about ambulance wait times

 

 

now i know we'll say funding and NHS is bad every winter and that's completely legitimate.

But what do we actually do? This'll only get worse and surely this is about as bad as it gets normally at the height? If not then it's more broken than we thought 

It's not just covid causing this, it's way bigger than that. The numbers won't be helping obviously but it's a convenient excuse to blame it all on - it seems that even if we removed all the covid patients that it'd still be in a bad situation - those ambulances aren't all full of covid patients. So just wearing a mask isn't the answer either. 

More funding is in the future, but the reality is things seen in those tweets are immediate. For emergency care (waiting that long), plus people dying alone without their loved ones has become normal now. And those spend months in hospital like prisoners without seeing people because of covid reasons. Not to mention another winter of missed appointments and a longer waiting list. There doesn't appear to be a  solution other than "pray you don't get ill" 

But the catch 22 is anything that could be done (lockdowns, restrictions) just creates a load of other problems

Edited October 20, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[Fuzzy Afro]

If Rachel Clarke was that concerned with saving lives she would get out of palliative care hospices and go work on the front line, tbh. 

[steviewevie]

Thread about interpreting some of the scary charts and numbers being thrown around...

 

 

[steviewevie]

optimistic bollocks.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/21/deep-within-the-uks-shocking-covid-data-there-may-be-reasons-for-optimism

[JoeyT]

 

[JoeyT]

Not a chance I'm doing the whole not seeing who the hell I like thing again...

 

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Not a chance I'm doing the whole not seeing who the hell I like thing again...

 

Ha yeah zero chance I'm following that. So they'll keep everything open but you can't meet outside you're bubble? Screw that.

[zahidf]

Ireland have pushed back their reopening until Feb 2022, and will keep masks and social distancing until then

 

cowards. 

[BobWillis2]

“Irreversible”

 

Let’s call it plan sea, because that’s where it belongs. 

[JoeyT]

Already looking forward to the complete jobbers making an appearance to try and make people feel bad for seeing their family's at Christmas.

It'll only be another couple of weeks until Christmas is dragged in to this all of course...

[st dan]

Absolutely no chance they will be closing shops, pubs, restaurants etc again - so therefore banning household mixing has to be off the cards too as nobody will comply with it. 
As has always been the case, logic and personal choices can be applied for those worried and/or vulnerable in regards to social mixing, without applying blanket bans on things. 

Edited October 21, 2021 by st dan

[efcfanwirral]

53 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Countless talking head professors and usual politicians hitting the news again pushing "low level" measures like not seeing friends and family.  Well that escalated quickly from face nappies.

How fucked up are we if we view not mixing with friends and family a "low level" measure

All the modelling is WAY below what was predicted and yet we still have this shit.

Sat here watching a sky news interviewing a bunch of kids outside the school in the fresh air all wearing masks.  Utter fucking madness.   Always makes me laugh how they cherry pick the six kids who think its a really good idea 🙂 

Everyone has turned into massive morons lol.

If only the Sky news interviewers mask actually covered his nose...

Ive seen social distancing talked about as a low level measure too, they forget that entire industries that rely on this not happening are on the edge from the last lockdown. Not a big leap to "keep these low level measures in place all year to ensure we stay open in winter". 

The big question is still what can actually be done when the NHS is on the verge of collapsing 

Edited October 21, 2021 by efcfanwirral

[efcfanwirral]

 

An interesting and sobering read 

[steviewevie]

obviously they have to cancel christmas.

[DeanoL]

16 hours ago, efcfanwirral said:

Is it really going to be like this every 6 months? Holding us hostage using our freedoms to get jabbed over and over again? Because there still isn't really much acknowledgement that if it wanes after 6 months it will wane every 6 months...

There is a HUGE disconnect between threatening that if there aren't enough boosters then there will be home working and vaccine passports for clubs and events. One more affects older people and the other younger people...

It's peak Tory that "not being able to go into the office" can legitimately be used as a threat...

16 hours ago, JoeyT said:

If “people doing their bit” is simply wearing a mask or opening a window then make it a fucking rule if you’re that bothered. Jesus.

What’s the point in wearing a mask to Tesco if you’ve got 10k people at an indoor gig down the road etc.

The logic is ridiculous. 

It's because we're not trying to reduce all transmission. Just cut it down as much as we can while trying to sacrifice as little as possible. Hospitality and gigs can't happen with restrictions in place. That industry is dead if people have to social distance. So we let that happen. Supermarkets can do fine with masks and distancing. Sales went up during the pandemic (money was lost overall because of the costs of implementing distancing, but most of that can be re-used). So you put distancing in there. Those two to me are the obvious ones, other areas aren't as black and white. And it's not just about the economy, it's about people's mental health too: there's little economic cost to stopping household mixing but it's awful for people. Masks at gigs wouldn't cost anything but in theory but would people still go?

It's a more nuanced approach that I'm actually now thinking would have been better to have all along, presented in that way. But it would never happen because you'd get comments like this complaining it's unfair or illogical. And it's why it won't happen, unfortunately - you're right. They're not going to mandate masks and distancing in supermarkets while letting events go ahead. But that's going to end up with them doing both, rather than neither I fear.

[Fuzzy Afro]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

If you turn up at A&E with a heart attack and you can't be seen - that is what a collapsed health care system is.

Having your in growing toe nail operation delayed is not a collapsed health care system. 

Absolutely no one shouldn’t be seen because of a heart attack. They should prioritise all of that over covid for sure. 

[JoeyT]

ICU stats...

 

[DeanoL]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Its not on the verge of collapsing.  That is the reality.  We are MILES away from that.

I don't even know what "collapsing" looks like? It's not a tower that's going to fold in on itself when you stack too many patients on it. I think that's part of the problem, this idea that there's somewhere a line, and we go over that line and suddenly the NHS, I don't know, just stops? It won't. It'll keep treating as many people as it can with the resources it has available. It doesn't just cease to function.

There were 50K excess deaths in private homes in the first wave of the Pandemic in March/April 2020. Compared to just 10K excess deaths in hospitals. People absolutely *were* left to die at home who, with enough resources, would have been treated in hospital. Many of them would have survived. There's a solid argument that the NHS has already collapsed multiple times during this whole thing. 

It's in a bad spot right now. It's in nowhere near as bad a spot as it was in March 2020 or December 2020. But at those two points, it was in a really bad spot. The problem is the government and NHS high-ups consistently denied this the entire way through, said it was coping just fine, nothing wrong. Which wasn't the case, it was totally fucked. But that's why it's impossible to make the argument that it's fucked now. How can it be, when it was fine in March 2020, and admissions are so, so much lower?