Fuzzy Afro Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, JoeyT said: 1 hour ago, zahidf said: Good. No need to waste their time. Twice too many if you ask me. Quarterly call just to monitor the situation is plenty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 Yeah nothing to see here … 223 deaths today … and not even at the start of winter … highest infection numbers in the world … and yes it is relevant … not as much as before but that is lots of people becoming I’ll with covid .. and herd immunity doesn’t exist as we should all know by now … a fully functional economy just won’t work with that level of sickness in the population … Yet still those people have fallen for the message of Boris that it’s all over … what an absolute shit show this country has become if people aren’t able to do basic things for other people to prevent them becoming I’ll … fuck Boris and the clowns that run this plague island 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said: Yeah nothing to see here … 223 deaths today … and not even at the start of winter … highest infection numbers in the world … and yes it is relevant … not as much as before but that is lots of people becoming I’ll with covid .. and herd immunity doesn’t exist as we should all know by now … a fully functional economy just won’t work with that level of sickness in the population … Yet still those people have fallen for the message of Boris that it’s all over … what an absolute shit show this country has become if people aren’t able to do basic things for other people to prevent them becoming I’ll … fuck Boris and the clowns that run this plague island Once we open the restrictions box this winter, that's it for every winter going forward. Fair enough lock the unvaccinated out of society but I think people will be very surprised when that still doesn't keep us out of lockdown... I'm taking this as nhs overwhelming, which flu and backlog will cause. This isn't a covid only issue anymore I also don't think re-mandating masks will help either. Unless you mandate them for all home visits and all workplaces at all times Edited October 19, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) Trigger warning - but not for the usual reasons https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/implement-plan-b-winter-measures-now-or-risk-nhs-crisis-johnson-warned?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true The NHS is fucked and its October. We want normality, but we also want emergency care for our older loved ones and also for ourselves if we're unlucky. We'll never have a well funded health system with this lot, and that wouldn't help us this winter anyway So what do we do? Perhaps those of us who can afford it should go for Bupa...that's all I can think of to do personally. Doesn't help with emergency stuff but thats unlikely anyway. I'll wear masks to make people feel better but I'm unconvinced on how much I'm actually materially doing there. Edited October 19, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 Tory MPs will push back against introduction of any restrictions, and Johnson needs to keep them on side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted October 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said: Trigger warning - but not for the usual reasons https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/oct/19/implement-plan-b-winter-measures-now-or-risk-nhs-crisis-johnson-warned?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other&__twitter_impression=true The NHS is fucked and its October. We want normality, but we also want emergency care for our older loved ones and also for ourselves if we're unlucky. We'll never have a well funded health system with this lot, and that wouldn't help us this winter anyway So what do we do? Perhaps those of us who can afford it should go for Bupa...that's all I can think of to do personally. Doesn't help with emergency stuff but thats unlikely anyway. I'll wear masks to make people feel better but I'm unconvinced on how much I'm actually materially doing there. Pretending there’s not going to be any issue and burying their heads in the sand isn’t going to help for sure … masks and lateral flow testing will make some difference … maybe not massive but we should have never gone into winter with these high numbers at the outset … some think they will drop I’m not so sure .. oh and now we seem to have messed up the jabbing of the kids too .. world leading my ass … vaccination centres need vaccinators and a longer term plan for when people went back to their longer term jobs … oh and I know that because my sister is unable run hers at capacity because it’s near impossible to staff and I’d bet money it’s replicated up and down the country Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 40 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: Pretending there’s not going to be any issue and burying their heads in the sand isn’t going to help for sure … masks and lateral flow testing will make some difference … maybe not massive but we should have never gone into winter with these high numbers at the outset … some think they will drop I’m not so sure .. oh and now we seem to have messed up the jabbing of the kids too .. world leading my ass … vaccination centres need vaccinators and a longer term plan for when people went back to their longer term jobs … oh and I know that because my sister is unable run hers at capacity because it’s near impossible to staff and I’d bet money it’s replicated up and down the country How much difference? If England only enacts masks being mandaory what's the difference in deaths? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 We shouldn't let the tories get away with social distancing instead of tax hikes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 9 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Anyone presenting the idea cases are surging is plainly lying. And we also way below the modeling. Yet we have to read this shit daily from the liars at indy safe and our more reactionary posters.. and the NHS? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 5 minutes ago, steviewevie said: and the NHS? I'm worried that the NHS are trying to bounce us into restrictions for reducing their waiting list. That's not acceptable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, zahidf said: I'm worried that the NHS are trying to bounce us into restrictions for reducing their waiting list. That's not acceptable Well yeah. They'd probably also like people to stop drinking and smoking so much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Well yeah. They'd probably also like people to stop drinking and smoking so much. They'll be pushing to ban smoking and drinking soon. Bloody nerds and NHS wonks Edited October 20, 2021 by zahidf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) . Edited October 20, 2021 by JoeyT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 minute ago, zahidf said: Good Excellent however I fully expect a turnaround in a week or so’s time given past form… Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 11 hours ago, crazyfool1 said: Yeah nothing to see here … 223 deaths today … and not even at the start of winter … highest infection numbers in the world … and yes it is relevant … not as much as before but that is lots of people becoming I’ll with covid .. and herd immunity doesn’t exist as we should all know by now … a fully functional economy just won’t work with that level of sickness in the population … Yet still those people have fallen for the message of Boris that it’s all over … what an absolute shit show this country has become if people aren’t able to do basic things for other people to prevent them becoming I’ll … fuck Boris and the clowns that run this plague island Restrictions should not be normalised in a post vaccine world. Lets be fair none of us know what’s going to happen over the next few months as we haven’t gone through a winter with the vaccine available to almost the entire population and putting in restrictions has collateral damage on industries and peoples lives beyond that of the virus let’s not forget that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1984 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 The press today has decided to pay attention to rising case figures. Kwasi Karteng was sent to back the government’s plans while efestivals favourite Christina Pagel is also everywhere you look. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, zahidf said: Good 1 hour ago, JoeyT said: Excellent however I fully expect a turnaround in a week or so’s time given past form… Haha was about to say that - they said many things about no lockdowns last year and we had a 5 month one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 24 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said: The press today has decided to pay attention to rising case figures. Kwasi Karteng was sent to back the government’s plans while efestivals favourite Christina Pagel is also everywhere you look. It seems its the only topic back on the radar everywhere, with the exact same split between restrictions vs not as last year. I'll say it again - any restrictions this year = restrictions every winter, and Possibly low level ones all the time (though I don't know what) to keep cases down ahead of winter months if this year gets bad enough. Properly funding AND running the NHS is obviously the answer to deal with this permanent increase in demand, restricting our lives isnt the answer for a virus that will always be here. Edited October 20, 2021 by efcfanwirral Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Worth remembering that deaths and cases are much lower still than the doom mongers said they would be at this point. Also worth noting that quoting the Tuesday death figure is disingenuous because it includes extra days, that’s something I think everyone should have learnt. Also every year the guardian says the nhs is about to collapse. That said , the booster campaign and for the young ones isn’t good enough at all and needs to step up. I do think things are broadly fine tho, we have basically 0 restrictions atm and can live almost normal lives. Even international travel is coming back. Whether people like it or not, there has been a shift to living with the virus in basically all countries. Even Parts of Asia and Aus are giving up on zero covid Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 fake NHS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 In a vacuum, I don’t hate plan B. What I do hate is giving in to pressure from NHS doctors and fake SAGE. The minute we do that, they’ll start asking for the next level of freedom to be stripped away. Plan B in early November becomes rule of 6 in mid November, becomes household mixing ban in December, becomes strict bubble guidance at Christmas, becomes the cancellation of New Year’s Eve and ultimately, another brutal lockdown from early January through Easter 2022. The pandemic is over in the UK and the virus is endemic in society now. What people need to reconcile is that anyone asking for restrictions now is asking for them permanently. 50,000+ deaths a year is the new normal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Yeah I agree, it’s a slippery slope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 NHS being added to the hate list? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lost Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) Something does seem a bit off. Russia currently clocking 1000 deaths a day where covid is the primary cause, apparently estimates put that at 1800ish using our measure with a positive test within 28 days and their system is managing fine apparently. Population just over double ours. Russian healthcare spending as a percentage of GDP 5.3% vs our 12.8% in 2020 before the NI rise. The issue doesn't seem to be money. Edited October 20, 2021 by lost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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