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11 hours ago, balthazarstarbuck said:

Oh I’m not saying this year- fully aware we’re tied to the mast now (though should hopefully get abused less as winter eases). They’re gonna have to be far more prescriptive next year though. 

Yeah if there was an unprecedented injury crisis you'd have to put out any team you could. We did the other week before our covid issues against Chelsea - loads of youngsters. But it sounds like teams are basing it on recognised first team players which really shouldn't be the case 

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On 1/18/2022 at 9:29 AM, efcfanwirral said:

Yeah if there was an unprecedented injury crisis you'd have to put out any team you could. We did the other week before our covid issues against Chelsea - loads of youngsters. But it sounds like teams are basing it on recognised first team players which really shouldn't be the case 

Years ago I remember a spell when Newcastle had something like 13 first team players injured but we ended up limping on with wingers as defenders and strikers losing all the games.

I think there's a balancing act. There are cases when injuries exacerbate covid issues, or indeed players could be theoretically more susceptible to injury immediately after getting covid, so I get how they can combine to put teams out of action. However, there's a degree. The line in the sand is going to be fuzzy when dealing with this, but it has to be definitive. I am genuinely surprised the PL were OK with Arsenal's request to postpone the Spurs game last weekend as I thought they had enough available to go along with it. I didn't think they had problems any worse than Leeds, who have been happy just to carry on.

It's a contrast in many ways, given the Bundesliga and La Liga have called off no games despite some clubs have covid outbreaks and losing players long-term due to covid issues (Bayern Munich have lost a few players because covid created further health issues) while Serie A has had to reform its rules after a few ridiculous moments. I guess its a balancing act as some teams will genuinely have to call games off and some will just be seen as opportunists, fairly or otherwise.

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7 hours ago, Neil said:

looks limke the govt is going an extra mile to save derby.

I don't think it would be a good look for football in general if a club as big as Derby County is allowed to fold tbf. The demise of Bury and near-collapse of Bolton Wanderers were bad enough. I get that Derby overspent in their ambition to reach the Premier League, but liquidation seems like far too much of an extreme potential penalty.

As for one of the other things relating to this case, I get why Wycombe are unhappy and prepared to rope in lawyers given Derby stayed up at their expense by one point when any deduction applied last season would've sent Derby County down. But I don't get what Middlesbrough are getting involved with their own legal action for, especially as its just on missing out on the play-offs.

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Why should a club be expected to be bailed out due to their own financial failures?
 

There are procedures in place and clubs can survive multiple administrations. 
 

Why are Derby so special that they get a rescue when other clubs who haven’t committed the same illegal financial deals don’t get it. 
 

They overspent and gambled foolishly and then committed fraud to try and recoup their losses. 
 

Suppose that’s perfectly acceptable in the eyes of a Tory though.
 

Personally I say let Derby take their punishment. If they have the will and the support then they will make a comeback, other clubs have done so. 

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There's penalties and penalties imo. I'm not pretending Derby overstepped the mark of what was and wasn't allowed in the Mel Morris days, and they have been handed legal penalties for it in the form of fines and having to redo their accounts as well as the 21 point penalty and multiple transfer embargoes, but liquidation feels like a properly extreme penalty and kinda too far.

It's a weird situation with the Championship in general anyway. That division felt financially unsustainable even before covid and the major financial loss that came with having to play a year with no fans in stadiums. Reading having a wages-to-turnover ratio over 200% in the season covid interrupted was just ridiculous, but even clubs that look to have been less expensively run seem to be running at whopping losses.

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12 hours ago, charlierc said:

There's penalties and penalties imo. I'm not pretending Derby overstepped the mark of what was and wasn't allowed in the Mel Morris days, and they have been handed legal penalties for it in the form of fines and having to redo their accounts as well as the 21 point penalty and multiple transfer embargoes, but liquidation feels like a properly extreme penalty and kinda too far.

It's a weird situation with the Championship in general anyway. That division felt financially unsustainable even before covid and the major financial loss that came with having to play a year with no fans in stadiums. Reading having a wages-to-turnover ratio over 200% in the season covid interrupted was just ridiculous, but even clubs that look to have been less expensively run seem to be running at whopping losses.

Without the threat of liquidation what is the real threat, for most they get relegated and either go straight back up or stabilise in the league below. On that basis financial gambles may be considered worth the risk. Also if a club liquidates it doesn't (generally) disappear, it just starts from scratch. A team like Derby would fly up the pyramid.

 

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