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He’s brilliant, very eloquent.  Was basically saying about how livelihoods are at risk, no insurance being a massive issue and just a complete lack of faith in any date the government states  

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6 minutes ago, sisco said:

Frank Turner on BBC News talking festivals in a mo

This is where populism works in our favour - it's getting such a lot of traction now on news shows,  papers and MPs kicking up a fuss in parliament that the usual next step is for them to give in in some way

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2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

This is where populism works in our favour - it's getting such a lot of traction now on news shows,  papers and MPs kicking up a fuss in parliament that the usual next step is for them to give in in some way

What I’d also add is there aren’t many left to go this year to insure!

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1 minute ago, sisco said:

What I’d also add is there aren’t many left to go this year to insure!

Well this is true though there are a lot of smaller non camping ones in the same boat throughout August and September- all helps with getting people working I guess.

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I'm kinda confused about the news this morning that Formula 1's British Grand Prix race at Silverstone is allowed to go ahead with a full capacity crowd of around 140,000 people on race day (July 18th) yet a ton of smaller festivals have been stopped in their tracks. The Euros getting increasingly bigger crowds for games at Wembley is one thing but I don't feel like these two events are really that far apart as far as set-up goes.

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1 minute ago, charlierc said:

I'm kinda confused about the news this morning that Formula 1's British Grand Prix race at Silverstone is allowed to go ahead with a full capacity crowd of around 140,000 people on race day (July 18th) yet a ton of smaller festivals have been stopped in their tracks. The Euros getting increasingly bigger crowds for games at Wembley is one thing but I don't feel like these two events are really that far apart as far as set-up goes.

If I was being cynical, which I am, I'd say that one is likely to have a higher proportion of punters that will be Tory voters than another.

Having said that, they could be focusing more on events where people tend to be seated / remain in place for a large part of the time rather than wandering all over the shop as you get with a fest.

I'm sticking with my first answer.

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1 minute ago, Quark said:

If I was being cynical, which I am, I'd say that one is likely to have a higher proportion of punters that will be Tory voters than another.

Having said that, they could be focusing more on events where people tend to be seated / remain in place for a large part of the time rather than wandering all over the shop as you get with a fest.

I'm sticking with my first answer.

The point about people sitting and remaining in place at sports events as opposed to wandering around in festivals does seem correct if you compare the pilot events in Download festival and the Wales Albania football game.


Only anecdotal but there seems to be quite a few on Download forums saying they have been told to isolate by the track and trace after the festival last week.

So far I haven’t seen anything in Twitter or the Welsh football forums about anyone being asked to isolate out if the 6000 who went to the pilot in Cardiff.

Thats not scientific of course but it will be interesting to see the difference when/if they produce the results.

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10 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I'm kinda confused about the news this morning that Formula 1's British Grand Prix race at Silverstone is allowed to go ahead with a full capacity crowd of around 140,000 people on race day (July 18th) yet a ton of smaller festivals have been stopped in their tracks. The Euros getting increasingly bigger crowds for games at Wembley is one thing but I don't feel like these two events are really that far apart as far as set-up goes.

I believe that the Government views things solely through the lens of "what appeals to my base" and then acts upon the answer. I would imagine that relatively few festival-goers are established Tory voters or red wall targets so they just don't matter. 

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9 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

The point about people sitting and remaining in place at sports events as opposed to wandering around in festivals does seem correct if you compare the pilot events in Download festival and the Wales Albania football game.


Only anecdotal but there seems to be quite a few on Download forums saying they have been told to isolate by the track and trace after the festival last week.

So far I haven’t seen anything in Twitter or the Welsh football forums about anyone being asked to isolate out if the 6000 who went to the pilot in Cardiff.

Thats not scientific of course but it will be interesting to see the difference when/if they produce the results.

Yeah I think the download thing will derail it - too much self isolation after events would be bad for business, and I doubt they'll get rid of the track and trace

My current Cynical view is that download will be the last camping event this year but I hope I'm wrong 

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Posted this in the Boomtown thread but just incase anyone else hasn't seen;

Boomtown is putting on a smaller festival this year named 'Boom Village' taking place over the usual Boomtown weekend. It was originally going to be held for locals only and at a capacity of just 4000. However, i've just been reading through the FAQs and had a look on their socials, and it appears they are now opening this up to the general public as they're confident all restrictions will be dropped in time! 

I thought this was a local event, why have you opened it up for anyone to buy tickets?

We initially launched Boom Village as a locals only event when it was still unclear as to whether we would be moving into Stage 4 of the government Road Map. However, it is now looking increasingly likely that by the time of the festival we will be in Stage 4 and most restrictions will be lifted, however we still plan to keep the festival small and intimate but just open it up a little wider. After offering those who live nearest to the festival site the opportunity to buy the discounted tickets first and a month to purchase them before opening up wider, as of Monday 28th June the tickets will go on general release. At the heart of it, Boom Village is still going to be strongly focussed on the local area with Trinity Winchester as our main charity partner, as well as partnerships with Winchester Uni, outreach to local families and local entertainment offerings. We are in discussion with many local traders, crafts people and much more to ensure that it absolutely is a local, family friendly, small and intimate festival"

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47 minutes ago, charlierc said:

I'm kinda confused about the news this morning that Formula 1's British Grand Prix race at Silverstone is allowed to go ahead with a full capacity crowd of around 140,000 people on race day (July 18th) yet a ton of smaller festivals have been stopped in their tracks. The Euros getting increasingly bigger crowds for games at Wembley is one thing but I don't feel like these two events are really that far apart as far as set-up goes.

Oh you sweet, sweet child!

Grand Prix, Wimbledon, Open Golf, Euros - all massively high-visibility events that can display bouncing Boris's brilliance in full effect, Britain Rules The Waves. 

Music festivals - lefty, hippy filth. 

The prosecution rests, m'lud. 

Ben

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30 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

The point about people sitting and remaining in place at sports events as opposed to wandering around in festivals does seem correct if you compare the pilot events in Download festival and the Wales Albania football game.

Except, as I've suggested before, risk of transmission with 140000 seated, but also up and about, getting food and drink etc is no less than, say, 10000-15000 milling at a festival.

It'll be fascinating to see how they manage prestige events after 19 July. This morning's chosen cabinet monkey again suggested that 19 July is (a) on and (b) would mark the removal of all legal restrictions and requirements. If that is true (yes, we've all seen Tory truths over the past year/decade/lifetime...) then festivals thereafter absolutely can happen as normal. If they differentiate thereafter because they favour certain types of event, so help me I may do something bad. 

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6 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Except, as I've suggested before, risk of transmission with 140000 seated, but also up and about, getting food and drink etc is no less than, say, 10000-15000 milling at a festival.

It'll be fascinating to see how they manage prestige events after 19 July. This morning's chosen cabinet monkey again suggested that 19 July is (a) on and (b) would mark the removal of all legal restrictions and requirements. If that is true (yes, we've all seen Tory truths over the past year/decade/lifetime...) then festivals thereafter absolutely can happen as normal. If they differentiate thereafter because they favour certain types of event, so help me I may do something bad. 

Ben

If you're having "research events" on the weekend just before the 19th, at the very least events will not be free to open as normal on the 19th. I say at the very least because I'd be shocked if they actually removed social distancing elsewhere, but either way it shows events are going to be subject to different rules 

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51 minutes ago, Quark said:

If I was being cynical, which I am, I'd say that one is likely to have a higher proportion of punters that will be Tory voters than another.

Having said that, they could be focusing more on events where people tend to be seated / remain in place for a large part of the time rather than wandering all over the shop as you get with a fest.

I'm sticking with my first answer.

 

43 minutes ago, rivalschools.price said:

The point about people sitting and remaining in place at sports events as opposed to wandering around in festivals does seem correct if you compare the pilot events in Download festival and the Wales Albania football game.


Only anecdotal but there seems to be quite a few on Download forums saying they have been told to isolate by the track and trace after the festival last week.

So far I haven’t seen anything in Twitter or the Welsh football forums about anyone being asked to isolate out if the 6000 who went to the pilot in Cardiff.

Thats not scientific of course but it will be interesting to see the difference when/if they produce the results.

Silverstone is kind of a hybrid between the two. There are lots of seated grandstands around the course, plus it is spaced out and I'm aware that the relatively out of the way location of Silverstone means public transport isn't used so much compared to, say, a London city centre venue. But Silverstone has a lot of general admission areas of people just wandering around picking a spot to sit on the grass. It also has surrounding campsites that I know regularly get locals gatecrashing it. 

I live nearby and while I haven't been there for a race itself, I have been to see Kaiser Chiefs play it (they played there the night before the 2014 F1 race) and it is a very different environment to a general sports stadium with fixed seating. To me it feels closer to a festival-style set-up than the likes of Wembley do.

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14 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

If you're having "research events" on the weekend just before the 19th, at the very least events will not be free to open as normal on the 19th. I say at the very least because I'd be shocked if they actually removed social distancing elsewhere, but either way it shows events are going to be subject to different rules 

I need to stop reading about and listening to this stuff. It's making me furious. Double standards, failing to publish test event results reports, failure to underwrite a whole industry because they don't like it...

It's just all so transparently duplicitous. And we are powerless. With the current HOC majority and polling inexplicably improving for these bastards, we are currently powerless. Maddening. 

Ben

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1 minute ago, charlierc said:

 

Silverstone is kind of a hybrid between the two. There are lots of seated grandstands around the course, plus it is spaced out and I'm aware that the relatively out of the way location of Silverstone means public transport isn't used so much compared to, say, a London city centre venue. But Silverstone has a lot of general admission areas of people just wandering around picking a spot to sit on the grass. It also has surrounding campsites that I know regularly get locals gatecrashing it. 

I live nearby and while I haven't been there for a race itself, I have been to see Kaiser Chiefs play it (they played there the night before the 2014 F1 race) and it is a very different environment to a general sports stadium with fixed seating. To me it feels closer to a festival-style set-up than the likes of Wembley do.

Well exactly. But the VIP lounges will be stuffed full of Tory donors revelling in the false impression that the A-listers in there like them. Fuckers. 

Ben

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55 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

I need to stop reading about and listening to this stuff. It's making me furious. Double standards, failing to publish test event results reports, failure to underwrite a whole industry because they don't like it...

It's just all so transparently duplicitous. And we are powerless. With the current HOC majority and polling inexplicably improving for these bastards, we are currently powerless. Maddening. 

Ben

Channel that anger - retweets, sharing the stories, getting it out there what they're doing. Writing to MPs etc- we probably don't live in a democracy anymore but until its official we can still try! 

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2 hours ago, bennyhana22 said:

Oh you sweet, sweet child!

Grand Prix, Wimbledon, Open Golf, Euros - all massively high-visibility events that can display bouncing Boris's brilliance in full effect, Britain Rules The Waves. 

Music festivals - lefty, hippy filth. 

The prosecution rests, m'lud. 

Ben

^^ spot on.

I get angrier about these double standards every day. I’ve given up watching the news now it’s makes my blood pressure rocket 😂

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5 minutes ago, stuie said:

^^ spot on.

I get angrier about these double standards every day. I’ve given up watching the news now it’s makes my blood pressure rocket 😂

I remember back in Feb 2020 having concerns that the government would be happy to cancel festivals yet would allow the events such as Wimbledon to go ahead as that’s where them and their friends normally go. It didn’t happen last year but looks like it might happen this one sadly.

Sorry, I didn’t mean to add your rising blood pressure! 😆

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