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1 minute ago, FloorFiller said:

Ah you’re right, I misunderstood and they’re just isolating at the moment (I think). My bad! 

Yeah I checked too, they're just isolating currently 🙂 no worries though, I think it's hard for them to actually prove where the person they came into contact with actually was though 

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1 hour ago, thewayiam said:

Unfortunately this is the same thing that will see people having to pay longterm PCR tests for events. Because at the end of the day what's the difference between you paying for something, losing it the event but not keeping the money and paying a PCR test for the same price to attend something? The difference is the latter allows you to attend it. Too any clouded minded going in here. £40 from a few people on here will not save anything, a government funding which isn't going to happen would but we will pay for that longterm anyway when you see the price of everything go up again to justify it. 

I'm all for gigs etc returning, I've got my festivals and gigs booked but I'm happy to let them happen in their own time rather than force them. 

How is it an aggressive reply though?

It's not £40 from a few people on here though is it? It's £40 from everybody who wants to buy a ticket, so if they sell 20,000 tickets that's £800,000 that they know they can fall back on. Nobody is being forced to pay anything, and you'd think that them having a bit of confidence (ie knowing that they have a bit of cash flow) will help them to get the wheels in motion.

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1 hour ago, incident said:

Unless I've missed a post, I think they're saying that they've been told to self-isolate (presumably as a result of an exposure notification on the NHS COVID app) - if the exposure was outdoors it's very unlikely to translate into catching it.

Tbh I'm debating when to get rid of the app, as it's going to be increasingly less reliable/useful in predicting potential transmission, especially amongst vaccinated people and at outdoor events.

Yeah, my pal received a ping after Download too. Ridiculous, really, but there you are.

Test & Trace app was a condition of entry.

Ben

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1 hour ago, Chapple12345 said:

Yeah I checked too, they're just isolating currently 🙂 no worries though, I think it's hard for them to actually prove where the person they came into contact with actually was though 

And an absurdity when you hear that two England players are excluded from tonight's game for a post-match chat with Gilmour, but the whole Scottish team, staff etc who shared a dressing room, coach, hotel etc with him are fine. And whole year groups of, essentially, not-at-risk nursery and primary school children are being sent home for 10 days.

More quality, joined-up thinking from my boss of bosses, HanCOCK.

Ben

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4 minutes ago, bennyhana22 said:

Yeah, my pal received a ping after Download too. Ridiculous, really, but there you are.

Test & Trace app was a condition of entry.

Ben

Think that checking in was a condition, but not specifically via the App - and once checked in, there's no need/reason to leave contact tracing turned on.

This was the entry procedure:

 

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3 minutes ago, incident said:

Think that checking in was a condition, but not specifically via the App - and once checked in, there's no need/reason to leave contact tracing turned on.

This was the entry procedure:

 

Cool. I guess that almost everyone will have taken a phone and that they'll likely have had (and not uninstalled) the app as they'll have been understandably desperate to do anything, including committing to giving up their first born, to get back into those fields!

Ben

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1 hour ago, Fish Bulb said:

Not sure if this completely scientifically accurate, but I think it means festivals are completely safe and they should restart immediately.

Sounds solid enough to me.  I’ll pack me bags. 

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1 minute ago, bennyhana22 said:

Cool. I guess that almost everyone will have taken a phone and that they'll likely have had (and not uninstalled) the app as they'll have been understandably desperate to do anything, including committing to giving up their first born, to get back into those fields!

Ben

Yeah, that sounds likely.

The problem is that it means that people will be getting pings from the app because someone they stood a couple metres away from for an hour or so while watching Frank Turner subsequently logged a positive test.

That kind of interaction would be risky in a badly ventilated space, and so the app would be right to flag it, but outdoors the odds of them catching something are miniscule so if people leave contact tracing on it's going to mean a lot of needless isolating.

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38 minutes ago, incident said:

Yeah, that sounds likely.

The problem is that it means that people will be getting pings from the app because someone they stood a couple metres away from for an hour or so while watching Frank Turner subsequently logged a positive test.

That kind of interaction would be risky in a badly ventilated space, and so the app would be right to flag it, but outdoors the odds of them catching something are miniscule so if people leave contact tracing on it's going to mean a lot of needless isolating.

I assume most people would put the app off once inside the Festival?

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Can confirm at Download not everyone was using the app.  There was an option to sign in manually at a desk by the gates rather than log in to test and trace.  Given the poor data signal on site, and the need to leave both Bluetooth and Location Services on for it to work, I doubt everyone would have left it on for the whole weekend as it wasn't great for battery life.  Will be interesting to see how many people send back their post-festival tests and what results we get.

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2 hours ago, bennyhana22 said:

Nicola Sturgeon announcing an end to 'major remaining legal restrictions' in Scotland on 9 August, that following a further easing of gathering numbers on 19 July.

Nip and tuck for sooooo many events, now...

Ben

She has a habit of changing dates after seeing what Boris does. Basically just copies him but announces it a week or so later so she gets a free party political broadcast and maximum media coverage. Just like today’s July 19 announcement. 

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29 minutes ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

She has a habit of changing dates after seeing what Boris does. Basically just copies him but announces it a week or so later so she gets a free party political broadcast and maximum media coverage. Just like today’s July 19 announcement. 

Yeah, I am starting to see that pattern, Chris, but good to have it confirmed by someone north of the wall!

Ben

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Fiona Stewart from Green Man and Andy Smith from KC on 5Live now. Being interviewed re festivals. Stewart saying it is crunch time now as they have payment dates imminent but that Wales might have SD rules in place for the rest of the year. 

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New report from the Public Accounts Committee released today. 'Eighth Report - COVID 19: Culture Recovery Fund'.

Read here.

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Festivals are making difficult decisions about whether to risk their survival by going ahead this summer, but the Department has not modelled the cost of underwriting festival indemnity insurance.

Recommendation: The Department should write to us within three months setting out what it intends to do to support those that were under-represented in terms of the funding they received from the Culture Recovery Fund such as freelancers and festivals.

I don't think there's any appreciation for the urgency with which festivals need help. In three months, the season will be all but over.

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20 minutes ago, kalifire said:

New report from the Public Accounts Committee released today. 'Eighth Report - COVID 19: Culture Recovery Fund'.

Read here.

I don't think there's any appreciation for the urgency with which festivals need help. In three months, the season will be all but over.

I think that's signalled their intent - to allow festivals to cancel off their own backs

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