Music Festivals given go ahead from late May...

[Paul ™]

Just now, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Can someone explain why restrictions are lifted on June 21 but there is still capacity limits on events like this? That has to be an indication of where this is headed for festivals?

21st of June is the earliest all social contact restrictions can be lifted.

Doesn't mean they will, especially for mass gatherings.

There is an event research programme starting this month and goes into the summer. 

Phase 1 has been announced, with some test events taking place in April/May and results by end of May.

Phase 2 will likely take place in June and into July.

[Ryan1984]

2 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Can someone explain why restrictions are lifted on June 21 but there is still capacity limits on events like this? That has to be an indication of where this is headed for festivals? 

Pardon my ignorance but is it significantly worse if there are 10,000 vaccinated/negative punters or 100,000? 

Spaffer was overconfident (or lied?) about ‘all legal restrictions being lifted’ by the roadmap date... Or none of us read the small print.

Edited April 8, 2021 by Ryan1984

[incident]

2 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Can someone explain why restrictions are lifted on June 21 but there is still capacity limits on events like this? That has to be an indication of where this is headed for festivals? 

Pardon my ignorance but is it significantly worse if there are 10,000 vaccinated/negative punters or 100,000? 

Not sure but the surrounding infrastructure may be more of a concern than the venue itself.

A sold out Wembley means properly packed tube trains from London, pubs, etc. Less people means it's easier to manage the arrival and dispersal.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

1 minute ago, Paul ™ said:

21st of June is the earliest all social contact restrictions can be lifted.

Doesn't mean they will, especially for mass gatherings.

There is an event research programme starting this month and goes into the summer. 

Phase 1 has been announced, with some test events taking place in April/May and results by end of May.

Phase 2 will likely take place in June and into July.

It must be nigh-on impossible to organise a festival under such conditions. A terrible position for a business to be in.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

3 minutes ago, incident said:

Not sure but the surrounding infrastructure may be more of a concern than the venue itself.

A sold out Wembley means properly packed tube trains from London, pubs, etc. Less people means it's easier to manage the arrival and dispersal.

Ah yes, that would make sense

[Losing my hair]

21 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Sadly, I'd be surprised if any festivals go ahead in July. All of a sudden it seems really close! Certainly too close for comfort, with vaccine the first dose rollout delays and uncertainty.

Are there any fests lined up for July?

Latitude and WOMAD both in July.

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

4 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

Latitude and WOMAD both in July.

Yikes

[priest17]

the Truck line-up is the perfect blend of stuff I really like now and stuff I cling on to liking from my teenage years. Sold out anyway.

[zahidf]

45 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Still capacity limits at Wembley in July....

That'd be for up to 45,000.00 people though. At this stage, I suspect July will be a halfway house type of thing for MASSIVE stadiums 

 

[zahidf]

https://www.surveymonkey.co.uk/r/J8CT6HM

Another live music survey

[vintagelaureate]

1 minute ago, priest17 said:

the Truck line-up is the perfect blend of stuff I really like now and stuff I cling on to liking from my teenage years. Sold out anyway.

 

[priest17]

It'd look better if they sacked off the headliners really

[Losing my hair]

3 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Yikes

Nether have released a line up yet which indicates, to me anyway, that they are not fully committed at this point.

[Copperface]

20 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Spaffer was overconfident (or lied?) about ‘all legal restrictions being lifted’ by the roadmap date... Or none of us read the small print.

To be fair, the government were pretty clear and insistent that all dates on the roadmap were qualified with 'not before' and warned that they could slip. The small print was actually pretty large.

I think a lot of promoters and organiser jumped on those dates given and started publicising their planning in order to exert some pressure on the government to resist any slippage.

[Paul ™]

28 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

It must be nigh-on impossible to organise a festival under such conditions. A terrible position for a business to be in.

If only they could get some kind of  cancellation insurance for communicable diseases.

[westholtschic]

11 minutes ago, Losing my hair said:

Nether have released a line up yet which indicates, to me anyway, that they are not fully committed at this point.

WOMAD are meant to be announcing UK based acts on the 14th April I think and mid May for overseas acts

[incident]

1 minute ago, westholtschic said:

WOMAD are meant to be announcing UK based acts on the 14th April I think and mid May for overseas acts

And Latitude have set a lineup announcement date of April 19th.

[steviewevie]

39 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Spaffer was overconfident (or lied?) about ‘all legal restrictions being lifted’ by the roadmap date... Or none of us read the small print.

the roadmap date is the earliest date possible that these restrictions could be lifted...could be 21 June, could be some time in 2047...so without insurance being underwritten festivals are taking a risk.

[sisco]

6th July is when the semi final is and they’re planning to have 45,000 there (minimum).  That’s got to give these outdoor (mostly) festivals lots of hope

[efcfanwirral]

12 minutes ago, sisco said:

6th July is when the semi final is and they’re planning to have 45,000 there (minimum).  That’s got to give these outdoor (mostly) festivals lots of hope

Yeah I thought that- something like kendal almost a month later has less people than that on site

[Fuzzy Afro]

58 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Spaffer was overconfident (or lied?) about ‘all legal restrictions being lifted’ by the roadmap date... Or none of us read the small print.

 

37 minutes ago, Copperface said:

To be fair, the government were pretty clear and insistent that all dates on the roadmap were qualified with 'not before' and warned that they could slip. The small print was actually pretty large.

I think a lot of promoters and organiser jumped on those dates given and started publicising their planning in order to exert some pressure on the government to resist any slippage.

 

All legal limits on “social contact” I took to mean that you can have all your mates round for a party etc. Not necessarily that mass events would get the go ahead. 

[swede]

Tramlines can’t be too far behind from announcing their lineup 

[stuie]

1 hour ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Can someone explain why restrictions are lifted on June 21 but there is still capacity limits on events like this? That has to be an indication of where this is headed for festivals? 

Fear. 

 

[thewayiam]

1 hour ago, sisco said:

6th July is when the semi final is and they’re planning to have 45,000 there (minimum).  That’s got to give these outdoor (mostly) festivals lots of hope

They only have to go ahead for 22.5k. The other 22.5k is yet to be confirmed. The FA have put it forward that they want it.

To me also, the big difference is that in football games they can have security keeping people distanced and they will be gaps between them being sat. In a festival, security aren't going to have that power. People roam where they want and get as close in/as tight to see their band as they want. 

[efcfanwirral]

10 minutes ago, thewayiam said:

They only have to go ahead for 22.5k. The other 22.5k is yet to be confirmed. The FA have put it forward that they want it.

To me also, the big difference is that in football games they can have security keeping people distanced and they will be gaps between them being sat. In a festival, security aren't going to have that power. People roam where they want and get as close in/as tight to see their band as they want. 

True but there is also the concourse area - go to 40,000 and that's just as bad, you can't control that flow within the timeframes needed. 

If we need distancing still when you've got majority vaccinated people and all with negative tests I'm not sure how we'll ever reopen properly 

Edited April 8, 2021 by efcfanwirral