news & politics:discussion

[Neil]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

could end up Truss vs Mordaunt.

if it does penny will win with tory members.

[Ozanne]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

could end up Truss vs Mordaunt.

Would be a huge collapse for Sunak!

[pink_triangle]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

could end up Truss vs Mordaunt.

Rishi only about 20 short of guarantee place in the final 2. That would be a big surprise.

[steviewevie]

Tugenhadt not dropping out...Sunak needs his votes.

[pink_triangle]

26 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Tugenhadt not dropping out...Sunak needs his votes.

As I said nobody is dropping out with tv debate to come.

[steviewevie]

whole thing is kind of bizarre...we watch on as these freaks vie to become the next PM of our great democracy and we have fuck all say in it..

[steviewevie]

...and it seems like PMs are chosen more in this way these days.

[gizmoman]

3 hours ago, pink_triangle said:

To be honest all the mainstream media, anti BBC stuff is no different to the rhetoric you hear from the right on GB news.

My view on Corbyn was some (not all) of his policies were fine, but he was a poor messenger to those outside the bubble. I also think his prioritizing of issues such as middle east politics and nuclear weapons didn't fit with the priorities of the electorate. I think a younger, more charismatic person running on a similar (but tweaked) platform without the baggage could succeed.

But your younger candidate could only succeed with the support of the media and having gone through the checks of the intelligence agencies, that is the point, we don't live in a true democracy, we are "guided" by the media into taking an opinion, here is a picture from 1911, some of you may be familiar with it,

The world hasn't changed since then, the class of people with power and money are the same, where do you think politicians fit on the pyramid? It's strange that on a supposedly socialist based forum the members are all obsessed by who is going to be head tory, when in fact it won't make any material difference to us. The only question about Corbyn is, was he an idealist hoping to change the system from within or was he simply part of the eternal pyramid? (we fool you).

[pink_triangle]

11 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

...and it seems like PMs are chosen more in this way these days.

It will be my 12 year olds 5th PM. I was 30 when I got to my 5th!

[pink_triangle]

5 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

But your younger candidate could only succeed with the support of the media and having gone through the checks of the intelligence agencies, that is the point, we don't live in a true democracy, we are "guided" by the media into taking an opinion, here is a picture from 1911, some of you may be familiar with it,

The world hasn't changed since then, the class of people with power and money are the same, where do you think politicians fit on the pyramid? It's strange that on a supposedly socialist based forum the members are all obsessed by who is going to be head tory, when in fact it won't make any material difference to us. The only question about Corbyn is, was he an idealist hoping to change the system from within or was he simply part of the eternal pyramid? (we fool you).

I don't think Corbyn ever really wanted to be PM. Think he would have happily stayed as leader of the opposition having his supporters sing his name and having the easier job of promising and opposing instead of compromising and delivering.

 

[steviewevie]

28 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

But your younger candidate could only succeed with the support of the media and having gone through the checks of the intelligence agencies, that is the point, we don't live in a true democracy, we are "guided" by the media into taking an opinion, here is a picture from 1911, some of you may be familiar with it,

The world hasn't changed since then, the class of people with power and money are the same, where do you think politicians fit on the pyramid? It's strange that on a supposedly socialist based forum the members are all obsessed by who is going to be head tory, when in fact it won't make any material difference to us. The only question about Corbyn is, was he an idealist hoping to change the system from within or was he simply part of the eternal pyramid? (we fool you).

socialist?

main stream media loving centrists mate.

[steviewevie]

😄

 

[gizmoman]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

socialist?

main stream media loving centrists mate.

"mate"? You have some strange ideas.

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, gizmoman said:

"mate"? You have some strange ideas.

alright. "w*nker"

[steviewevie]

apparently there is a Northern Research Group...and they have something called a Northern Agenda...and Liz has joined! Hallelujah!

 

[gizmoman]

27 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

alright. "w*nker"

That's better, always be honest.

[Ozanne]

Lol. 

[lost]

Draghi quits as PM, Italian debt yields spike. Far right FDL currently ahead in the polls. One to keep an eye on.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

I don't know why anyone would want to be PM at the moment.

[Ozanne]

Big development. 

[mattiloy]

 

Nick Cohen in a bit of hot water.

[steviewevie]

48 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Big development. 

Not that surprising is it?

[steviewevie]

Frosty is backing Truss.

Shocked.

[Ozanne]

They are going all out to get Truss there.