news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

Soz Baz, no idea what you're saying.

[Ozanne]

 

[steviewevie]

21 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

 

yeah, was going to post this....great news for us Mancs...really need joined up transport here like they have in london...so can use same ticket on bus and tram (hope this actually means this!).

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, was going to post this....great news for us Mancs...really need joined up transport here like they have in london...so can use same ticket on bus and tram (hope this actually means this!).

Yeah that would be really good. Burnham seems to be doing a really good job for you guys. 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

Yeah that would be really good. Burnham seems to be doing a really good job for you guys. 

yeah, I like him...he's looks so sexy in a North Face too.

[guypjfreak]

It's all a load of bollox.. 

[mattiloy]

3 hours ago, Ozanne said:

 

 

[steviewevie]

https://twitter.com/nickeardleybbc/status/1375420152691503107

[steviewevie]

 

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

for when one rapey party iswn't enough maybe he can get some free tv airtime off his mate vlad

Edited March 26, 2021 by eFestivals

[Crazyfool01]

test post 

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

test post 

It wasn't working I think I fixed it a few minutes ago.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, eFestivals said:

It wasn't working I think I fixed it a few minutes ago.

Yep all good now it seems ... hopefully Radiohead won’t hang around too much longer ... just a short delay to the inevitable 🙂 

[Cherry Tree]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

 

He has announced setting up The Alba Party and will put up regional candidates in the forthcoming Scottish Parliament elections.

The interesting thing is that a 2nd independence party was mooted a couple of years ago by some in the SNP. The election system for the Scottish Parliament was set up so that it was unlikely that any single party would achieve a majority of MSPs as the more first past the post seats you got, the fewer regional top up seats you get. Therefore Salmond is being clever in only targeting regional seats. it is a bit like Farage getting MEPs elected on regional lists but never achieving it in constituency based Parliamentary Elections. 

This could lead to a scenario were SNP win a large majority of directly elected seats, which they have done in the last few elections, and the Alba Party win some regional top up MSPs, this could lead to a large majority of independence seeking MSPs in Parliament and a far greater than 50% share of the vote, which will increase the pressure on Boris to allow a 2nd Referendum.

The other interesting this to see if this plays out is how Sturgeon and Salmond work together to put that pressure on Boris.

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, Cherry Tree said:

He has announced setting up The Alba Party and will put up regional candidates in the forthcoming Scottish Parliament elections.

The interesting thing is that a 2nd independence party was mooted a couple of years ago by some in the SNP. The election system for the Scottish Parliament was set up so that it was unlikely that any single party would achieve a majority of MSPs as the more first past the post seats you got, the fewer regional top up seats you get. Therefore Salmond is being clever in only targeting regional seats. it is a bit like Farage getting MEPs elected on regional lists but never achieving it in constituency based Parliamentary Elections. 

This could lead to a scenario were SNP win a large majority of directly elected seats, which they have done in the last few elections, and the Alba Party win some regional top up MSPs, this could lead to a large majority of independence seeking MSPs in Parliament and a far greater than 50% share of the vote, which will increase the pressure on Boris to allow a 2nd Referendum.

The other interesting this to see if this plays out is how Sturgeon and Salmond work together to put that pressure on Boris.

We've all heard how salmond puts pressure on people Spaffer doesn't weara skirt for Alex to put his hands up.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Cherry Tree said:

He has announced setting up The Alba Party and will put up regional candidates in the forthcoming Scottish Parliament elections.

The interesting thing is that a 2nd independence party was mooted a couple of years ago by some in the SNP. The election system for the Scottish Parliament was set up so that it was unlikely that any single party would achieve a majority of MSPs as the more first past the post seats you got, the fewer regional top up seats you get. Therefore Salmond is being clever in only targeting regional seats. it is a bit like Farage getting MEPs elected on regional lists but never achieving it in constituency based Parliamentary Elections. 

This could lead to a scenario were SNP win a large majority of directly elected seats, which they have done in the last few elections, and the Alba Party win some regional top up MSPs, this could lead to a large majority of independence seeking MSPs in Parliament and a far greater than 50% share of the vote, which will increase the pressure on Boris to allow a 2nd Referendum.

The other interesting this to see if this plays out is how Sturgeon and Salmond work together to put that pressure on Boris.

or it will mean SNP don't get a majority and an independence referendum becomes less likely?

[eFestivals]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Work together ? LMAO

Surely she would have to resign in the situation the SNP need Alba support.  He isn't doing this to play nice with his old BFF 🙂

He doesn't play nice.he plays mean get them drunk and takes advantage.i see he claimed Scotland needs another party dedicated to social justice.hes not the person for social justice.when he's not trying to be rapey he's chumming up with Vlad.

Edited March 26, 2021 by eFestivals

[Cherry Tree]

Just now, steviewevie said:

or it will mean SNP don't get a majority and an independence referendum becomes less likely?

The SNP were always unlikely to get a large majority of MSPs even if they achieved 50%+ of the vote, they currently operate with the support of the Scottish Greens. The elections were specifically designed that no party would have a majority of seats.

At the last election SNP got 63 seats (65 is a majority) with 46.5% of the vote, they won 59 of the 73 constituencies, but only 4 of the 56 regional seats with 41% of regional vote.

It is about political optics, if Independence voters vote for SNP in constituencies (Alba not standing), and switch to Alba for the regional vote then you could have a scenario where SNP/Alba win 75-80 seats and a 20-30 seat majority. They are then arguing with Boris who has similar majority on a % basis but on a far lower share of the vote.

However it is whether the average independence voter has the intelligence to realise that using their two votes to vote for two different parties is the best way of forwarding their cause.

[Cherry Tree]

I am in no way defending Salmond, I frequently was on the same London to Aberdeen flight as him, he is not a very nice person. However he is clever at politics, and he could quickly swallow his pride for independence and a nice role in the Government, I would imagine Foreign Secretary in an independent Scotland would appeal.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, Cherry Tree said:

The SNP were always unlikely to get a large majority of MSPs even if they achieved 50%+ of the vote, they currently operate with the support of the Scottish Greens. The elections were specifically designed that no party would have a majority of seats.

At the last election SNP got 63 seats (65 is a majority) with 46.5% of the vote, they won 59 of the 73 constituencies, but only 4 of the 56 regional seats with 41% of regional vote.

It is about political optics, if Independence voters vote for SNP in constituencies (Alba not standing), and switch to Alba for the regional vote then you could have a scenario where SNP/Alba win 75-80 seats and a 20-30 seat majority. They are then arguing with Boris who has similar majority on a % basis but on a far lower share of the vote.

However it is whether the average independence voter has the intelligence to realise that using their two votes to vote for two different parties is the best way of forwarding their cause.

Will they agree that they never promised once in a generation in2014.its in black and white in thre indie white paper 

[steviewevie]

My kid made it into the NY Times.

 

[Cherry Tree]

33 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

This could change a lot...  If they split the vote - could open the door for Labour...

Would Alba and SNP work together ?  Sturgeon would clearly have to go for that to happen.

Sorry it doesn’t work that way, Labour if anything would lose seats, they are a long way from making in-roads in constituency seats, and the new Alba party would hit their number of regional seats especially in the West of Scotland where they are still the second party. However good news for you Barry 🤥 it would also likely to lead to a reduction in Conservative MSPs. 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Cherry Tree

[eFestivals]

2 minutes ago, Cherry Tree said:

Sorry it doesn’t work that way, Labour if anything would lose seats, they are a long way from making in-roads in constituency seats, and the new Alaba party would hit their number of regional seats especially in the West of Scotland where they are still the second party. However good news for you Barry 🤥 it would also likely to lead to a reduction in Conservative MSPs. 

SNP voters tend to hate labour more than they do thre tories.

[Ayrshire Chris]

The current state of the Scottish nationalists .  If the unionist parties got their acts together and agreed tactical voting we could get rid of this Indy thing and get back to dealing with Covid, the disgraceful drop in educational standards, our terrible drug problem, council cutbacks etc. The things politicians should be concentrating on. 

As for Salmond his ego driven party will probably hurt the greens the most 

Edited March 26, 2021 by Ayrshire Chris

[CaledonianGonzo]

I thought they were the cult of Sturgeon and brooked no dissent?  You can't have it both ways.