news & politics:discussion

[Ozanne]

3 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

The gas price cap gets reset on April 1. It is predicted that this will mean a 50% rise in prices for most consumers. It's hard to see that not being a huge problem for the govt when it occurs, though so far no word on any mitigation.

Yeah I’m not looking forward to the bills after April, it’s not going to be pretty. At least it’ll be warmer for a few months. 

[Ozanne]

On Christmas Eve, Starmer didn’t call for another lockdown. 

 

[fred quimby]

3 minutes ago, maelzoid said:

The gas price cap gets reset on April 1. It is predicted that this will mean a 50% rise in prices for most consumers. It's hard to see that not being a huge problem for the govt when it occurs, though so far no word on any mitigation.

I am sure they will do something.

But this rise at the same Time as NI increase and inflation possibly at 6% will hit people hard

[steviewevie]

35 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Yeah I’m not looking forward to the bills after April, it’s not going to be pretty. At least it’ll be warmer for a few months. 

I think they will come up with something on energy...cut VAT or something...

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think they will come up with something on energy...cut VAT or something...

Isn’t VAT 17.5 % how does that cover a 50% rise in prices ? Or have I got my figures wrong ? 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, crazyfool1 said:

Isn’t VAT 17.5 % how does that cover a 50% rise in prices ? Or have I got my figures wrong ? 

it doesn't, but it will help.

[Ozanne]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I think they will come up with something on energy...cut VAT or something...

Labour have called for VAT to be cut on energy bill and Johnson has rejected it. 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Labour have called for VAT to be cut on energy bill and Johnson has rejected it. 

yeah, well if looks bad I'm sure govt will do something.

[SheffJeff]

6 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Isn’t VAT 17.5 % how does that cover a 50% rise in prices ? Or have I got my figures wrong ? 

I think VATs actually only 5% on domestic energy bills so cutting it will have even less impact than you think. Obviously it will help a bit but not by very fucking much.

[Crazyfool01]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

There was a time when restrictions where a vote winner with the public...  Quite the opposite now.  I don't think Labour have worked that one out yet.

They backed the govt plan b … what are you seeing that’s different ? Or are u not reading the posts above and believing Boris spin 

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, SheffJeff said:

I think VATs actually only 5% on domestic energy bills so cutting it will have even less impact than you think. Obviously it will help a bit but not by very fucking much.

Crumbs 😞 best order some more logs for the wood burner 😞 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

There was a time when restrictions where a vote winner with the public...  Quite the opposite now.  I don't think Labour have worked that one out yet.  They backed plan B and now they go quiet....

They need to be pressuring the prime minster to open up more...  That will wrong foot them politically.

Johnson brought in plan B.

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Glad you are keeping up...

so it's all labour's fault we have plan B.

So, it's the govts fault we have to wear face nappies and stay home from the office talking bollocks on internet forums.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Disgusting verdict.  They should have been thrown in the river.

Brilliant verdict.

Now, someone fuck up Churchill.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

You miss the point...

If Labour don't have a position - if they are not opposing or setting the narrative - then Johnson can label them anyway he wants.

Starmer from the start should have been holding Boris to the fire on why he is locking down - why he is brining in plan B - why is he destroying the economy.  He did the opposite.  Why aren't we going further ?  Why aren't we doing more testing ?   Why didn't we close the borders ? 

By not going against most of this - AND backing plan B - And voting through every restriction Boris proposed - he can't separate himself from any of it.  He did back restrictions.  All the way through.  He voted for them all and asked why the prime minsister was dithering and delaying (forgot that ? )

Wrong again. They poll badly if play politics and oppose when should be supporting during a crisis. They could have not voted for it as that would probably fatally damage Johnson...but they didn't, maybe because they are good people and not evil scum, or maybe they actually prefer to keep Johnson there as he is a disaster waiting to happen.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Boris locked us down...  But he also released us! and gave us the vaccine...

Starmer only locked us down and moaned it was all dither and delay...

Spot the political difference...  🙂 

Starmer didn't do anything, he isn't in power. That's the difference.

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Wrong again. They poll badly if play politics and oppose when should be supporting during a crisis. They could have not voted for it as that would probably fatally damage Johnson...but they didn't, maybe because they are good people and not evil scum, or maybe they actually prefer to keep Johnson there as he is a disaster waiting to happen.

Yep, Labour acted in the national interest to get plan b which was what was needed at the time. They could’ve nearly toppled Johnson but decided not too. A PM with an 80 seat majority relying on opposition votes for key legislation is very embarrassing for the PM. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Well don't cry when its rightly pointed out they wanted lockdowns and restrictions.  They voted for all of it.

because it was the necessary to keep health services from being overwhelmed and to reduce serious illness and death. Now it isn't so clear as most are immunised and we have a very infectious variant which causes less severe illness.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Bless - you might want to look up how democracy works in the United Kingdom.

One MP = One Vote...

Labours had the numbers to stop Plan B - they backed it...  They backed it all...

You can rightly say Starmer wanted lockdowns and restrictions.

Well, they supported plan B...and so did I, so good on them.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

Hey - die on that mountain...  All I am saying is don't complain when the facts are pointed out.

That it is labour's fault we have plan B? This was government legislation. Just because Johnson's backbenchers don't like the c**t is not labour's fault.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Do you think the red wall in Burnley agree ?   

Answers on a postcard...

labour polling better in red wall recently.

Burnely might care about brexit, but I'm sure they also care that local health services are currently fucked.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

So....  When Boris says Starmer wanted lockdowns and restrictions you should all be happy - because its clearly a vote winner in your heads 😄 

It is when Johnson is partying away whilst telling the country to lockdown.

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Well, they supported plan B...and so did I, so good on them.

Plan b was definitely needed but it was key government legislation which if they had lost would’ve essentially been a confidence matter in the Commons.

Either way though Labour/Starmer never called for a winter lockdown just the government to publish a plan for if things got worse. Johnson is lying when he has Starmer wanted a lockdown, if anything it’s Johnson that talks about lockdowns the most. 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Barry Fish said:

So why complain if its such a vote winner ? Take the credit ?  🙂 

I am guessing you know deep down its not a vote winner 😛 

Vaccines are a vote winner for sure...think too early to say not having more restrictions this winter is (which Starmer hasn't called for anyway)...