steviewevie Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Tories now the party of tax and spend? This could be a new labour budget. Maybe this is the blue labour that some wanted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 I guess if someone is happy that banks see cut in their taxes and a landlord will have to pay no extra tax on property whilst workers and renters have to pay more in NI taxes. There’s also the £6b council tax bombshell that Sunak didn’t comment on either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ozanne Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, steviewevie said: She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing. People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommadawn Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 24 minutes ago, Ozanne said: She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing. People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’. Maybe one of them could replace Starmer as leader then. They certainly did a better job then he would have done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said: Maybe one of them could replace Starmer as leader then. They certainly did a better job then he would have done. Starmer appointed Reeves as Shadow Chancellor so her strong performance reflects well on him too. They would’ve worked together on the response. But you continue to try to find anything to criticise Labour with to deflect away from the Tories. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ommadawn Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 37 minutes ago, Ozanne said: She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing. People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’. I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following - Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like. We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like. We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like. We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like. Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running. The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance. Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly). Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Ommadawn said: I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following - Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like. We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like. We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like. We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like. Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running. The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance. Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly). Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. You moan they don’t offer policies, then when they do you moan that they aren’t costed (even though you said nothing about this before) or there’s something else wrong with them. I think we got to the route of the problem in your post before this one, Starmer. Which is fine just come out and say that instead of hiding behind this false pretence that you aren’t happy because they don’t ‘offer anything’ then move the goalposts when they do. They have literally done what you’ve asked for and offered policies that you’ve outlined so you can’t say anymore that we don’t know what they would offer. Edited October 27, 2021 by Ozanne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 19 minutes ago, Ommadawn said: I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following - Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like. We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like. We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like. We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like. Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running. The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance. Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly). Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. Wow, tearing apart the labour response to a Tory budget, like a true red. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 Nearly in hung Parliament territory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted October 27, 2021 Report Share Posted October 27, 2021 2 hours ago, Ommadawn said: I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following - Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like. We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like. We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like. We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like. Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running. The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance. Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly). Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. Not sure she should be giving costings at a response to the budget speech. Not the place really. They should obviously at some point. On Starmer heard Frankie Boyle describe him as the picture you find in the new frame you bought. Liked that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Chris Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 The budget was one of the most incredible examples of turd polishing I’ve ever heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 6 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now... Quite a lot of negative headlines too … and that report on brexit being twice as damaging to the economy as the pandemic might not go down so well … it’s slowly hitting home … the price change people at work aren’t seeing many things coming down in price and lots of big jumps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 33 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now... Hardly, there’s loads of negative stuff out there and it’s becoming more evident every day that they’ve cut taxes for the banks and raised taxes for working people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 26 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Hardly, there’s loads of negative stuff out there and it’s becoming more evident every day that they’ve cut taxes for the banks and raised taxes for working people. Yeah but that's details, I'm talking about the headlines. But yeah, austerity is going to take more than that to fix, and at same time a lot of Tory MPs don't like sunak the slimy socialist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ayrshire Chris Posted October 28, 2021 Report Share Posted October 28, 2021 1 hour ago, steviewevie said: Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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steviewevie Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 Obviously I want this govt to fail always, but we really need this COP26 thing to be a success. This is where Bojo's famous international diplomacy skills are needed hoho. Then after COP26 it's all about NI protocol and whether we're going to have a trade war with EU and maybe even a real war with France. Fun times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 The Tories voted for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, steviewevie said: Obviously I want this govt to fail always, but we really need this COP26 thing to be a success. This is where Bojo's famous international diplomacy skills are needed hoho. Then after COP26 it's all about NI protocol and whether we're going to have a trade war with EU and maybe even a real war with France. Fun times. I do get very concerned about how this climate stuff is going to work out. The only logical conclusion to the Tories being the ones to implement the heat pump idea is that the rich will be able heat their homes and the poor won't. I can't see beyond these promises around replacing boilers and banning gas boilers by a certain date just leading to stripping them out and not replacing them if you can't afford to top up whatever "grant" they give. and that makes me instantly distrustful of the rest of their future approach. I assume rich can fly poor can't, that's a given, but what is the other cost that only normal people will need to pay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
squirrelarmy Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 hour ago, Ozanne said: The Tories voted for this. The people voted for the Tories. Mainly because they didn’t want Corbyn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeAntilles Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 1 minute ago, squirrelarmy said: The people voted for the Tories. Mainly because they didn’t want Corbyn If that were true the opinion polls would be showing "any other leader being 20 points ahead by now" as we were repeatedly told. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraybentos1 Posted October 29, 2021 Report Share Posted October 29, 2021 2 hours ago, efcfanwirral said: I do get very concerned about how this climate stuff is going to work out. The only logical conclusion to the Tories being the ones to implement the heat pump idea is that the rich will be able heat their homes and the poor won't. I can't see beyond these promises around replacing boilers and banning gas boilers by a certain date just leading to stripping them out and not replacing them if you can't afford to top up whatever "grant" they give. and that makes me instantly distrustful of the rest of their future approach. I assume rich can fly poor can't, that's a given, but what is the other cost that only normal people will need to pay? You have an extremely pessimistic view of the future don’t you. Flying has never been more cheap or accessible. That won’t change any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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