news & politics:discussion

[Zoo Music Girl]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yeah, same with my dad. The theory is it was just poorer, northern working classes voting for brexit isn't true...a lot of support for brexit was home counties middle class.

Very much so. That's the Tories' traditional base as well.

So did Truss campaign for Remain? Surely that will hurt her? Or is just ancient history?

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Very much so. That's the Tories' traditional base as well.

So did Truss campaign for Remain? Surely that will hurt her? Or is just ancient history?

She did campaign and said she didn’t want her daughter to have less rights. That’s forgotten though because she has pencilled these supposedly great trade deals that are exactly the same as we previously had.  

[steviewevie]

13 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Very much so. That's the Tories' traditional base as well.

So did Truss campaign for Remain? Surely that will hurt her? Or is just ancient history?

she is now arch leaver...honest.

She also said we should scrap the monarchy when she was a young lib dem.

[Matt42]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

she is now arch leaver...honest.

She also said we should scrap the monarchy when she was a young lib dem.

She goes wherever the wind blows… which is what Johnson does too

[steviewevie]

Labour/Starmer ending the year in pretty good shape, especially considering where they were a few months ago.

 

[Neil]

1 hour ago, Matt42 said:

If I went in with that attitude no one would want to talk to me. People really don’t like thinking they’ve been hoodwinked.

I sometimes wonder if the general public was a bit more aware of the truth they might start challenging who is in power. My grandad who has only ever voted Tory his entire life is completely sick of Johnson. He said to me yesterday that people need to use their vote wisely (which is surprising coming from him).

However, I’m not naive to recognise that if Boris is swapped out with someone mildly less offensive to him, he will probably continue to vote Tory.

somewhere there's an alternative world were Corbyn became PM that's Piers Corbyn.

[Zoo Music Girl]

31 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

She goes wherever the wind blows… which is what Johnson does too

It does seem to be these kind of people that do well these days. Changeable principles and a distinct lack of personal ideology.

[squirrelarmy]

24 minutes ago, Neil said:

somewhere there's an alternative world were Corbyn became PM that's Piers Corbyn.

Now that is the scariest alternate dimension I’ve ever heard of. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

It does seem to be these kind of people that do well these days. Changeable principles and a distinct lack of personal ideology.

they probably need to play the right wing card to win the leadership...then shift to centre a bit to win a GE. I guess this is kind of what Starmer did but opposite.

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

they probably need to play the right wing card to win the leadership...then shift to centre a bit to win a GE. I guess this is kind of what Starmer did but opposite.

Yeah makes sense. Realistically, when do people see the leadership election happening? Few months time? Get the next few months of Covid shit out of the way with? Sure no one is keen to take that on.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Yeah makes sense. Realistically, when do people see the leadership election happening? Few months time? Get the next few months of Covid shit out of the way with? Sure no one is keen to take that on.

There's local elections in spring, if tories do badly then maybe there will be a challenge then.

[Zoo Music Girl]

Just now, steviewevie said:

There's local elections in spring, if tories do badly then maybe there will be a challenge then.

Ooh maybe. Could be fun.

[dotdash79]

Local elections could be quite interesting. 
 

you will have the NI increase just kicking in, next year’s council tax will be going out with an increase for social care. 
 

also the energy price cap would have changed putting bills up, along with general inflation it’s going to make people fee a lot poorer. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

Local elections could be quite interesting. 
 

you will have the NI increase just kicking in, next year’s council tax will be going out with an increase for social care. 
 

also the energy price cap would have changed putting bills up, along with general inflation it’s going to make people fee a lot poorer. 

Yeah, could screw up any chance sunak has of becoming next leader too

 

[Matt42]

47 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

It does seem to be these kind of people that do well these days. Changeable principles and a distinct lack of personal ideology.

Electioneering. What is the vote winner? Go with what wins the votes.

[steviewevie]

17 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Electioneering. What is the vote winner? Go with what wins the votes.

or actually try and lead and take voters with you...

[Ozanne]

They’ll only be a challenge if the MPs involved are sure they’ll defeat Johnson in a no confidence vote. If he wins that vote he’s safe for a whole year. 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They’ll only be a challenge if the MPs involved are sure they’ll defeat Johnson in a no confidence vote. If he wins that vote he’s safe for a whole year. 

need those 50 odd letters first, right?

[Ozanne]

58 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

need those 50 odd letters first, right?

Yeah, which I’d imagine wouldn’t be hard to get if they knew they had a good chance of winning. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

Sturgeon, our supreme leader, has just spent over an hour telling us nothing has changed and avoiding giving a straight answer to every single question she was asked. Kim Jong Un could learn a lot from her. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Ha of course, nothing shady going on here at all. 

[fatyeti24]

Geidt was apparently considering his position a week or two ago.  I know he was appointed as a yes man, but I wonder what's made him change his mind. 

Edited December 30, 2021 by fatyeti24

[Ozanne]

14 minutes ago, fatyeti24 said:

Geidt was apparently considering his position a week or two ago.  I know he was appointed as a yes man, but I wonder what's made him change his mind. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

Tonight’s new year tv in Scotland has been taken over by the snp so I will be hunkered down illicitly watching Jools.  Meanwhile here is Fuhrer Sturgeons tv listings