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[Fuzzy Afro]

Labour vote absolutely collapsed in favour of the Lib Dems. Not that it was the key factor as there was an even bigger CON > LD swing, but I wonder if we see the same tactical voting in Batley & Spen where Labour could really use a sizeable portion of the LD vote.

 

@mattiloy will be along soon to comment on how disastrous this is for Starmer (it isn’t) and how the Greens are hoovering up the Labour vote (they aren’t) 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Labour vote absolutely collapsed in favour of the Lib Dem

@mattiloy

That's not an issue for anyone who is pushing for proportional representation.

[mattiloy]

27 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Labour vote absolutely collapsed in favour of the Lib Dems. Not that it was the key factor as there was an even bigger CON > LD swing, but I wonder if we see the same tactical voting in Batley & Spen where Labour could really use a sizeable portion of the LD vote.

 

@mattiloy will be along soon to comment on how disastrous this is for Starmer (it isn’t) and how the Greens are hoovering up the Labour vote (they aren’t) 

I think it was always a dead rubber for Labour. A good illustration that tactical voting can work, just a pity that it only swaps a blue tory for a yellow one on this occasion. Low turnout and HS2 also unique local factors.

Batley and Spen is the more meaningful one. I don’t think Labour will win it but I’d be surprised if Starmer goes anyway. I think only a tory party implosion can deliver victory to Starmer’s Labour at the next GE. Furthermore if anything the Chesham election shows that potential for Labour to gain what they lost in the red wall in the leafy liberal burghs in the blue wall is probably under threat by the lib dems. Labour could end up being outflanked by the lib dems, the tories and the greens. And I cant see Labour agreeing to a progressive alliance. I could even see another tory lib dem coalition happening before that happens.

Edited June 18, 2021 by mattiloy

[topmarksbri]

12 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I think it was always a dead rubber for Labour. A good illustration that tactical voting can work, just a pity that it only swaps a blue tory for a yellow one on this occasion. Low turnout and HS2 also unique local factors.

Batley and Spen is the more meaningful one. I don’t think Labour will win it but I’d be surprised if Starmer goes anyway. I think only a tory party implosion can deliver victory to Starmer’s Labour at the next GE. Furthermore if anything the Chesham election shows that potential for Labour to gain what they lost in the red wall in the leafy liberal burghs in the blue wall is probably under threat by the lib dems. Labour could end up being outflanked by the lib dems, the tories and the greens. And I cant see Labour agreeing to a progressive alliance. I could even see another tory lib dem coalition happening before that happens.

By Elections always have low turn outs and are famously unreliable bell weathers for general elections, I wouldn't read much into either. That being said I'm not sure you can selectively use the evidence of one by election which is bad for KS and ignore the other one which is (in a roundabout way) good news for KS.

Also don't see the result in C+A happening with JC a Labour leader. Easy to mobilise con support when you’re scaring Home Counties biddies with big bad scary commie labour leader. None of them are scared of the blandest man in existence so feel more able to vote LD.

[steviewevie]

Labour aren't winning the next election, or the one after that, or maybe the one after that...etc.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, mattiloy said:

I think it was always a dead rubber for Labour. A good illustration that tactical voting can work, just a pity that it only swaps a blue tory for a yellow one on this occasion. Low turnout and HS2 also unique local factors.

Batley and Spen is the more meaningful one. I don’t think Labour will win it but I’d be surprised if Starmer goes anyway. I think only a tory party implosion can deliver victory to Starmer’s Labour at the next GE. Furthermore if anything the Chesham election shows that potential for Labour to gain what they lost in the red wall in the leafy liberal burghs in the blue wall is probably under threat by the lib dems. Labour could end up being outflanked by the lib dems, the tories and the greens. And I cant see Labour agreeing to a progressive alliance. I could even see another tory lib dem coalition happening before that happens.

Only a Tory partyimplosion could have delivered victory to corbyns labour.

[eFestivals]

14 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour aren't winning the next election, or the one after that, or maybe the one after that...etc.

I agree labour has been severely damaged. Much like it was in 1984.

 So just like Blair was the consequence of a push to the left. The corbynistas need to ready themselves for the consequence of their doings.....

Edited June 18, 2021 by eFestivals

[Ozanne]

It’s not surprising that the Tory has used classic whataboutery to deflect from the humiliating loss of a safe seat. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

The Lib Dems don't win that seat with a Corbynite Labour party.

 

Leafy remainy Tory shires have been threatening to go Lib Dem for a few years but they held their nose and voted for Brexity Boris for fears that they'd enable a Corbyn led coalition.

 

With Starmer in place, the Lib Dems are in a much better place to win seats outside of red wall shitholes.

[Ozanne]

 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Rayner and Nandy sounding out potential supporters for overthrowing Starmer. 

[eFestivals]

3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Rayner and Nandy sounding out potential supporters for overthrowing Starmer. 

They've been listening to the echo chambers which reckon they'd be better leaders. They're as ananymous as starmer.

[topmarksbri]

2 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Rayner and Nandy sounding out potential supporters for overthrowing Starmer. 

Got source/link? Rayner makes sense but bit surprised by Nandy. 

[eFestivals]

26 minutes ago, topmarksbri said:

Got sourcelinl?link?

Just read this topic from the beginning. There's a number of people who've posted by elivibg nanday would be doing a better job as leader. She can't even do a better job as shadow foeuiegn secretary  than raabwhich doesn't make m we think she could cut thru as leader if you can't better Raaab then you probably can't better spaffer either.

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, Barry Fish said:

and replace him with who ?   That is their problem...  I don't think anyone on the Labour benches is going to win over voters right now.

Thats labour's problem. They want to win people over to threir ideology and the people don't agree with it. 

[steviewevie]

 

[philipsteak]

On 6/17/2021 at 2:54 PM, maelzoid said:

Accidental Partridge was one of my favourite twitter accounts. A shame they closed up shop just as GBNews was taking to the air..

 

https://twitter.com/GBNewsFails?s=01

 

[eFestivals]

On 2/17/2021 at 6:44 AM, eFestivals said:

because of course there's never been any pro-Corbyn drivel. 😛 

The Corbynites won't even accept the documented facts Corbyn's 40 year political history. 

Or that the electorate find it generally repulsive. 

[steviewevie]

Meanwhile.

 

[Crazyfool01]

12 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Meanwhile.

 

I wonder what the kick back is going to be if/ when we are asked to restrict certain things to help climate change .…. Will it be the same people who fight it as with covid ? Some challenging stuff around the corner .., 

[steviewevie]

Just now, crazyfool1 said:

I wonder what the kick back is going to be if/ when we are asked to restrict certain things to help climate change .…. Will it be the same people who fight it as with covid ? Some challenging stuff around the corner .., 

yeah, especially timescales are longer. I think they will just need to find solutions instead of too many restrictions, electricity from renewables, alternatives to using petrochemicals, electric cars (driverless and reduce car ownership?), more electric powered public transport, replace gas boilers etc etc. Christ knows about flights, think they'll need to put the prices up. I think in short/mid term we're already pretty fucked, but just need to act now so not superduper fucked in the long term. The challenge is huge.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

yeah, especially timescales are longer. I think they will just need to find solutions instead of too many restrictions, electricity from renewables, alternatives to using petrochemicals, electric cars (driverless and reduce car ownership?), more electric powered public transport, replace gas boilers etc etc. Christ knows about flights, think they'll need to put the prices up. I think in short/mid term we're already pretty fucked, but just need to act now so not superduper fucked in the long term. The challenge is huge.

People being unable to holiday will be a thing … some massive challenges ahead … I guess in many ways I’m fortunate that I  don’t have kids and concerns over their futures … moving away from meat eating will also have a big impact along with the bigger infrastructure projects you mention … at least Glastonbury has a positive environmental impact 

[steviewevie]

Dido Harding saying what needs to be said to get the tory faithful behind her pitch for head of NHS England, the ungrateful c**t.

 

[Ryan1984]

I’m sure one of the Scots on here can confirm but haven’t school holidays up there started by then?

 

[Ozanne]

24 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

I’m sure one of the Scots on here can confirm but haven’t school holidays up there started by then?

 

Have you seen what else is trending alongside that!?