news & politics:discussion

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Johnson really popular in April...was that when he got covid...but really unpopular in October when 2nd wave started and we had all that Tier stuff. His popularity now shooting up with the success of the vaccines and will likely continue to rise. Starmer losing his mojo. Where's Corbyn?

I thought it was a bit harsh to still put Corbyn in there.

I was mainly sharing it to bring clarity to the post before that said Johnson led Starmer by 10 points. He doesn’t lead in all the polls. We are seeing a vaccine bounce at the moment, it’s a difficult time to be in opposition. 

[st dan]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I thought it was a bit harsh to still put Corbyn in there.

I was mainly sharing it to bring clarity to the post before that said Johnson led Starmer by 10 points. He doesn’t lead in all the polls. We are seeing a vaccine bounce at the moment, it’s a difficult time to be in opposition. 

Agreed it’s difficult times at present for him, but don’t think he can even be classed as ‘opposition’ right now. More a ‘vaguely interested spectator’. 

Edited March 2, 2021 by st dan

[Ozanne]

7 minutes ago, st dan said:

Agreed it’s difficult times at present or him, but don’t think he can ever be classed as ‘opposition’ right now. More a ‘vaguely interested spectator’. 

He is opposing the government and has held them to account for quite a few different things during the pandemic, I’ve listed them before. 

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I thought it was a bit harsh to still put Corbyn in there.

I was mainly sharing it to bring clarity to the post before that said Johnson led Starmer by 10 points. He doesn’t lead in all the polls. We are seeing a vaccine bounce at the moment, it’s a difficult time to be in opposition. 

yeah, well it had a colour for Corbyn, but he wasn't on graph...he was off the scale. Not good for Starmer to go negative...but I think still need to be patient, it's probably all going to be positive for the government for a while.

[mattiloy]

Pathetic.

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

yeah, well it had a colour for Corbyn, but he wasn't on graph...he was off the scale. Not good for Starmer to go negative...but I think still need to be patient, it's probably all going to be positive for the government for a while.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/02/rishi-sunak-boris-johnson-budget-vaccine-bounce-labour?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This piece here sums it up really well for me. 

[Gilgamesh69]

At some point I am going to compile some statistics  and top it off with some fine discourse to absolutely demolish the c*ntrists, but at the moment i've got much better things to do. 

( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)

[mattiloy]

34 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/mar/02/rishi-sunak-boris-johnson-budget-vaccine-bounce-labour?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

This piece here sums it up really well for me. 

“This piece by a Starmer ally in centrist Pravda which appeals to my confirmation bias - I agree with it”

[steviewevie]

Labour are fucked because they just fight amongst themselves.

[Crazyfool01]

5 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour are fucked because they just fight amongst themselves.

As is evident on here ... 

[Gilgamesh69]

32 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour are fucked because they just fight amongst themselves.

Very true. However, Labour is supposed to be a socialist party,  so really the anti-socialists should leave and find another party to support

[steviewevie]

5 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said:

Very true. However, Labour is supposed to be a socialist party,  so really the anti-socialists should leave and find another party to support

it isn't really though is it? It's a coalition of socialists and social democrats and trade unionists. If they can't work together then yes, they should split...and then with the voting system we have we can look forward to a life time of tory rule.

 

[steviewevie]

Thread about green budget...

 

[steviewevie]

 

[mattiloy]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Thread about green budget...

 

 

By all accounts a good time to retrain as a heating engineer!

So it’s an anti austerity and green budget..

You know, being on the left is like waiting for the rest of the political spectrum to catch up to your ideas but never being able to say ‘I told you so’ because the other parties all pretend they came up with the idea. But whatever right? So long as it gets done.

Hardly surprising when your politics is explicitly motivated by maximising the welfare of the people and distributing the earths resources in the fairest way, as is with the left, it’s probably natural that you hit upon the solutions to whatever the days problems are ahead of people who are motivated more by the approval of donors and such..

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

 

By all accounts a good time to retrain as a heating engineer!

So it’s an anti austerity and green budget..

You know, being on the left is like waiting for the rest of the political spectrum to catch up to your ideas but never being able to say ‘I told you so’ because the other parties all pretend they came up with the idea. But whatever right? So long as it gets done.

Hardly surprising when your politics is explicitly motivated by maximising the welfare of the people and distributing the earths resources in the fairest way, as is with the left, it’s probably natural that you hit upon the solutions to whatever the days problems are ahead of people who are motivated more by the approval of donors and such..

being green doesn't seem to be a left-right issue here anymore, which is good news. How you go about imposing a green economy could be though, but hard to see it happening without state intervention. And with austerity most economists now think this went too far and too hard. But, it's not necessarily what Sunak does in this budget, but in budgets in the next few years. If still have a large deficit and if interest rates could rise he might be spooked enough to start cutting as well as raising taxes.

[zahidf]

Uh oh

 

 

 

 

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Uh oh

 

 

 

 

unbelievable timing for SNP to implode...

[steviewevie]

When it comes down to it Boris Johnson is lucky, and he is a winner...

 

[Ayrshire Chris]

Labour used to have over 40 seats in Scotland they could rely on, vital in getting a Westminster majority. Hopefully they can regain some of them with the snp civil war about to erupt. 

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[Ozanne]

1 hour ago, Ayrshire Chris said:

Labour used to have over 40 seats in Scotland they could rely on, vital in getting a Westminster majority. Hopefully they can regain some of them with the snp civil war about to erupt. 

w

 

 

I haven’t read much about it, what’s been the issues? It seems pretty convoluted but I’m sure it isn’t. 

[mattiloy]

This is too perfect.

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

This is too perfect.

Mexican coke. Only the best for our Rishi.

[mattiloy]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Mexican coke. Only the best for our Rishi.

At least its encouraging that the more you see of Sunak the more of a lightweight, bollockless twerp he comes across.

Can’t see him passing muster as a party leader.

[Ayrshire Chris]

22 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I haven’t read much about it, what’s been the issues? It seems pretty convoluted but I’m sure it isn’t. 

Sturgeon accused of breaking the ministerial code, misleading parliament and conspiring with senior civil servants and the crown office (legal )in the dealings with the Salmond sexual harassment case. A trial that ended up in his acquittal. The BBC news website is probably the most concise version of the story. She has been refusing to release the crown office legal advice she’s been receiving and redacting other documents released to a parliamentary committee investigating the whole clusterfuck.