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[Ozanne]

 

A Labour gain in East Sussex.

[steviewevie]

New red wall.

 

[Haan]

Brilliant piece 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/07/hartlepool-labour-same-old-tories-conservatives-keir-starmer 

[Ozanne]

 

 

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Haan said:

Brilliant piece 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/07/hartlepool-labour-same-old-tories-conservatives-keir-starmer 

Yeah, it really is. His stuff is always good.

[steviewevie]

 

[Matt42]

Gap narrowing between Shaun and Sadiq

[steviewevie]

12 minutes ago, Haan said:

Brilliant piece 

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/07/hartlepool-labour-same-old-tories-conservatives-keir-starmer 

Labour are just going to continue to fight each other which direction they should go in whilst Johnson just continues to remould tories into an english election winning machine.

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

He's got a bigger mandate to refuse her than she has to have one. And the  law is in his favour if it goes to court. the Scot parliament has a right to hold one but can't make it binding on the UK govt.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

He's got a bigger mandate to refuse her than she has to have one. And the  law is in his favour if it goes to court. the Scot parliament has a right to hold one but can't make it binding on the UK govt.

yes, he could...but in long run how does that play with Scottish public....?

[eFestivals]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Labour are just going to continue to fight each other which direction they should go in whilst Johnson just continues to remould tories into an english election winning machine.

It's not Labour fighting each other it's loads of people on the side of Labour trying to tell Labour what it should be doing. And which won't accept the right of labours elected officials to make decisions for labour.

[Matt42]

I’m surprised there is no coverage of the tight mayor race

[steviewevie]

Just now, eFestivals said:

It's not Labour fighting each other it's loads of people on the side of Labour trying to tell Labour what it should be doing. And which won't accept the right of labours elected officials to make decisions for labour.

errr..not sure if that's really how it is....sure there are opinions coming in from everywhere, but some are internal. A front bench MP has already quit.

[SwedgeAntilles]

4 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

He's got a bigger mandate to refuse her than she has to have one. And the  law is in his favour if it goes to court. the Scot parliament has a right to hold one but can't make it binding on the UK govt.

what the fuck are you talking about?

[fraybentos1]

58 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

 

As she said, because of covid. She'll be FM first and foremost. 

I don’t understand. Scottish parly was majority pro Indy between 2016 and 2020 (pre covid) and the most they managed was asking May for a ref and getting a no for an answer.

Once again a pro Indy majority is coming - the pandemic will be over within the first part of this new parliament - I ask again why will the snp suddenly be able to secure Indy ref 2 now. WhAt has changed since the  last parliament?

[steviewevie]

So, a scenario Newsnight bloke was saying a Labour shadow cabinet member came out with....Johnson's tories win next general election by even bigger margin than 2019...Starmer quits....the left take over labour again.....labour splits.

Edited May 7, 2021 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]

11 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m surprised there is no coverage of the tight mayor race

long way to go.

[HalfAnIdiot]

58 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

I’m surprised there is no coverage of the tight mayor race

Is that like a slow motion race between mayor's who are reluctant to buy a pint? 

[eFestivals]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

errr..not sure if that's really how it is....sure there are opinions coming in from everywhere, but some are internal. A front bench MP has already quit.

When has the PLPs right to reject Corbyn been accepted and the right too challenge his leadership within the rules for leadership challenges. And now similar is going on trying to shift starmer out for the crime of not being Corbyn.

Edited May 7, 2021 by eFestivals

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

what the fuck are you talking about?

Spaffers pitchat last year's election included not allowing an Indyref.

 

Hi that's as much of a mandate as anything the SNP have. Also Scotland has no right of secession it can only be granted via Westminster so the law is on spaffers side if sturgeon takes us refusal to court.

 

And if she takes a refusal to court that's her own rejection of the devolution settlement as set in law at which point it wouldn't be totally  unreasonable for Westminster to tear it up because it takes acceptance by both party's to be a workable settlement. The SNP like to crow that the Tories don't respect the devolution settlement while sturgeon is being more starkly clear that she rejects it more than the Tories do.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

So, a scenario Newsnight bloke was saying a Labour shadow cabinet member came out with....Johnson's tories win next general election by even bigger margin than 2019...Starmer quits....the left take over labour again.....labour splits.

Not really sure there's a bigger margin to be had there's some seats which won't go his away and there tends to be a natural limit on how big the margin can get Theres only a big number of more seats in it for him via boundary changes.and he needs to be fearing the libdems if they got Their shit together. The Tory victories are not the public buying into conservatism, but more about liberalism.

 

[sirjonnyp]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

errr..not sure if that's really how it is....sure there are opinions coming in from everywhere, but some are internal. A front bench MP has already quit.

That MP actually quit four weeks ago, but is so unknown that no one really cared. He put it in his article yesterday like it was breaking news and a few journos ran with it, without checking.

[steviewevie]

6 hours ago, eFestivals said:

Not really sure there's a bigger margin to be had there's some seats which won't go his away and there tends to be a natural limit on how big the margin can get Theres only a big number of more seats in it for him via boundary changes.and he needs to be fearing the libdems if they got Their shit together. The Tory victories are not the public buying into conservatism, but more about liberalism.

 

yeah...maybe....plus vaccine bounce and a promise of better times after brexit. Might be a very different place by next gen election.

[steviewevie]

4 hours ago, sirjonnyp said:

That MP actually quit four weeks ago, but is so unknown that no one really cared. He put it in his article yesterday like it was breaking news and a few journos ran with it, without checking.

ah right, so he did...13 April. Wow, that's really annoying. He's allowed to voice his opinion, but the impression was given that he resigned yesterday.

Edited May 8, 2021 by steviewevie

[steviewevie]