news & politics:discussion

[Haan]

 

19 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I am about to become a home owner.

 

Thus, I will favour the party who I trust to create the strongest economy and minimise taxes. 

 

[ace56blaa]

9 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Yeah - Champagne socialist 🙂 

This was sarcasm by the way. St Ives is historically Tory. Always has been you plum. Also I love how I'm on universal credit but also a champagne socialist

[steviewevie]

Everyone seems to think they know what labour need to do...move to the left, move to the centre....obviously no easy answers to any of it. I think Starmer is trying to appeal to both, but we'll see in the long run how he'll get on.

There is a vaccine bounce that is part of all this, lockdown is ending, the economy looks to be on course to recover well,  and Bojo is very good at the optimism thing. Brexit is done, and whether it's true or not the argument can be made that it is because of brexit that we are ahead in the vaccine race. Nothing Starmer can do about any of that. But they can select better candidates using something called democracy, and they can not hold byelections on same day as other elections where may get a big tory turnout. Starmer needs better advisers, and he needs to work with all sides of the party.

[steviewevie]

I would probably do better under a tory govt being a home owner and earning a good salary....but I'm also a bleeding heart liberal and am probably what some people might call woke, so I will not and have not ever voted for them. I know that may not compute for some on here, but that is where I'm at.

[mattiloy]

16 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I am about to become a home owner.

 

Thus, I will favour the party who I trust to create the strongest economy and minimise taxes. 

 

Do you have kids/plan to?

Do you use public transport?

Have you ever/will you ever use the health service?

 

Why do you think the tories will create a stronger economy? The evidence is not on your side

[Fuzzy Afro]

At the end of the day it is very hard to beat an incumbent government that is doing well and is popular. Labour’s main hope to win power back is just to bide their time until the Conservatives fuck up. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, mattiloy said:

 

Do you have kids/plan to?

Do you use public transport?

Have you ever/will you ever use the health service?

 

Why do you think the tories will create a stronger economy? The evidence is not on your side

Plan to.

 

Yes.

 

Yes, although I prefer going private where possible. 

[Fuzzy Afro]

5 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Lol @Fuzzy Afro getting a roasting now for being a stupid poor person who should realise the error of his ways and vote for Labour who think he is just a stupid poor person who should know better...

No idea why they lost 

I’m not even poor, I’ve no idea why anyone would think that. I’m dyed in the wool middle class. 

[Zoo Music Girl]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

Lol @Fuzzy Afro getting a roasting now for being a stupid poor person who should realise the error of his ways and vote for Labour who think he is just a stupid poor person who should know better...

No idea why they lost 

You make a lot of weird assumptions about people based on not much at all. Why did you decide Fuzzy was poor and the other poster on minimum wage was a champagne socialist? Very odd and personal way of arguing with people.

[mattiloy]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Plan to.

 

Yes.

 

Yes, although I prefer going private where possible. 

Okay then you are a beneficiary of public spending.

Wouldn’t you rather have a shorter, better commute than be able to afford a starbucks coffee a day vs taking a flask.

When you’re old, wouldn’t you rather wait half the time for a hip transplant rather than being able to afford a gold plated walking stick whilst you waited..

You get what you pay for and the tories have decimated public services.

 

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I would probably do better under a tory govt being a home owner and earning a good salary....but I'm also a bleeding heart liberal and am probably what some people might call woke, so I will not and have not ever voted for them. I know that may not compute for some on here, but that is where I'm at.

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t. We’ve had a tory government for the last 10 years - not counting any gains from personal endeavour (job move, promotion, investments) - ie if you’d stayed in the same spot as you were a decade ago and your salary had gone up by the industry average for that level of seniority per year- is your situation better now?

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

 

Don’t worry, you wouldn’t. We’ve had a tory government for the last 10 years - not counting any gains from personal endeavour (job move, promotion, investments) - ie if you’d stayed in the same spot as you were a decade ago and your salary had gone up by the industry average for that level of seniority per year- is your situation better now?

errr...don't know.

I mean...my situation isn't actually much different even though I earn quite a bit more. I just assume I would be paying more tax under a labour govt....but hopefully that money would be getting spent well.

[JoeyT]

 

[steviewevie]

the state of it...

 

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

errr...don't know.

I mean...my situation isn't actually much different even though I earn quite a bit more. I just assume I would be paying more tax under a labour govt....but hopefully that money would be getting spent well.

I’d happily pay more in tax if meant better public services, shorter wait time on the NHS etc. Even though I might in theory be better off under a Tory government I would rather have better funded services and an all round economy that was fairer for everyone. 

[steviewevie]

Just now, Ozanne said:

I’d happily pay more in tax if meant better public services, shorter wait time on the NHS etc. Even though I might in theory be better off under a Tory government I would rather have better funded services and an all round economy that was fairer for everyone. 

careful...you might get some hate for that

[steviewevie]

It does feel a bit like the early 80s...without the cool music.

[Matt42]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I’d happily pay more in tax if meant better public services, shorter wait time on the NHS etc. Even though I might in theory be better off under a Tory government I would rather have better funded services and an all round economy that was fairer for everyone. 

Most of the country don’t want that though. Especially people who earn less than you.

[mattiloy]

10 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

errr...don't know.

I mean...my situation isn't actually much different even though I earn quite a bit more. I just assume I would be paying more tax under a labour govt....but hopefully that money would be getting spent well.

Idk. You could probably make up the difference on cutting non value adding expenditure, like trident, covid contracts and Boris’ renovations.

Also investing properly in preventative health & social care, education, local govt services will reduce long run spending by cutting crime, reducing rates of chronic disease etc..

So yeah. I guess its about where do you wanna live. You could probs get on a plane to malawi now and live like an absolute prince, but all around you it’d be quite shit and you’ll not be able to leave your compound. 

Edited May 7, 2021 by mattiloy

[Matt42]

And yet the metropolitan Mancunians still blame the south 

[HalfAnIdiot]

37 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

As usual you are spot on. 

Get a room you two 🤮

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, mattiloy said:

So yeah. I guess its about where do you wanna live. You could probs get on a plane to malawi now and live like an absolute prince, but all around you it’d be quite shit and you’ll not be able to leave your compound. 

sounds a bit like where I live in Manchester.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

And yet the metropolitan Mancunians still blame the south 

that's quite something isn't it?

[Zacko]

28 minutes ago, ace56blaa said:

This was sarcasm by the way. St Ives is historically Tory. Always has been you plum. Also I love how I'm on universal credit but also a champagne socialist

Yeah, Cornwall isn't exactly known for being an economic powerhouse or a left leaning bastion is it!? 17 areas in Cornwall are in the poorest 10% in the entire country, so it's got way more in common with other deprived parts of the UK than anywhere else. It just looks nice if you stay on the coast. 

(I'm from Camborne, which says all you need to know)

[Matt42]

Just now, steviewevie said:

that's quite something isn't it?

I’m just sick of these students on Twitter saying it’s the southerners STILL.

The north is just as Tory as the south now.

[Zacko]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

that's quite something isn't it?

Woah