Glasto politics: Non covid news

[mattiloy]

38 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

JC would easy av Starmer in a scrap

 

Hes in decent nick!

Edited May 3, 2021 by mattiloy

[steviewevie]

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[steviewevie]

Interesting article about what labour needs to do to win again in places like Hartlepool...wave a flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/03/labours-lost-voters-clamour-belonging

[mattiloy]

7 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Interesting article about what labour needs to do to win again in places like Hartlepool...wave a flag.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2021/may/03/labours-lost-voters-clamour-belonging

I don’t buy it. Corbyn is the communitarian left. His politics are parochial, he makes jam and rides a bike around Islington where he is deeply embedded in most aspects of the community. He is exactly of this mythical village Green preservation society, ’little England’y, society of the good type patriotism that this fella concocts.

And if its true, then Starmer and new new labour are a lurch back to the bad old days of soulless third way globalism. People hate that. Starmer was made by that production line and he stinks of it, no matter how much he waves a flag.

Personally, I think the only thing that matters in this country is the amplification of messaging via media and social media and the fact we have a shit electoral system.

So if by posing with a flag, Starmer shields himself from some of the media’s ire then its worth it so long as in doing it, the negative takes on social media are less ’loud’ in both audience and mood.

[steviewevie]

8 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I don’t buy it. Corbyn is the communitarian left. His politics are parochial, he makes jam and rides a bike around Islington where he is deeply embedded in most aspects of the community. He is exactly of this mythical village Green preservation society, ’little England’y, society of the good type patriotism that this fella concocts.

And if its true, then Starmer and new new labour are a lurch back to the bad old days of soulless third way globalism. People hate that. Starmer was made by that production line and he stinks of it, no matter how much he waves a flag.

Personally, I think the only thing that matters in this country is the amplification of messaging via media and social media and the fact we have a shit electoral system.

So if by posing with a flag, Starmer shields himself from some of the media’s ire then its worth it so long as in doing it, the negative takes on social media are less ’loud’ in both audience and mood.

I think your perception of Corbyn might be slightly different to many others...

[steviewevie]

Anyway, it's not about Corbyn, or Starmer, it's about labour...they've been losing more and more of these types of voters over the last decade or two....it's just 2019 is when loads of those areas eventually went tory majority. And it looks like they may stay tory too.

[steviewevie]

Levelling up

Edited May 3, 2021 by steviewevie

[Ozanne]

Another poll showing the Tory lead has narrowed, it looks to be a trend now as more polls have shown this. 

Edited May 3, 2021 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

vaccine bounce over?

[fraybentos1]

No way greens get 5 percent in an actual election imo. Probs nearer 2.

[Ozanne]

20 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

vaccine bounce over?

I'm not so sure it's the vaccine bounce being over but more the Tory sleaze/Johnson allegation stories are cutting through. Either way I'm really happy to see support decline for them.

[steviewevie]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I'm not so sure it's the vaccine bounce being over but more the Tory sleaze/Johnson allegation stories are cutting through. Either way I'm really happy to see support decline for them.

Have to see what happens this week...might be less about tory sleaze and more about lockdown ending in the press.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Have to see what happens this week...might be less about tory sleaze and more about lockdown ending in the press.

Potentially but the Tory sleaze story isn't goings away with the Electoral Commission investigation ongoing and more stories coming out about Johnson's spending habits. Either way now this is 3 polls in the last week that show an erosion of Tory support, which is important for those nervous Tory MPs that aren't really fond of Johnson anyway.

[steviewevie]

10 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Potentially but the Tory sleaze story isn't goings away with the Electoral Commission investigation ongoing and more stories coming out about Johnson's spending habits. Either way now this is 3 polls in the last week that show an erosion of Tory support, which is important for those nervous Tory MPs that aren't really fond of Johnson anyway.

 be pretty funny if the electoral commission find evidence of wrong doing and get the police involved.

[Ozanne]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

 be pretty funny if the electoral commission find evidence of wrong doing and get the police involved.

It would. They had to issue a statement over the weekend to say don't destroy any emails or other communications.

[LJS]

On 5/2/2021 at 10:22 AM, eFestivals said:

The SNP don't have much in their manefresto with details about having a ref  so it'll be difficult to claim an absolute mandate for one. 

Well, it's on pages 2,3 & 4 as well as having a 3 page section dedicated to independence & a referendum.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt that a vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum.

Nice try though.

[eFestivals]

8 minutes ago, LJS said:

Well, it's on pages 2,3 & 4 as well as having a 3 page section dedicated to independence & a referendum.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt that a vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum.

Nice try though.

They say they'll have one in unspecified circumstances. Anyone thinking thatsa mandate isguessing

[LJS]

24 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

They say they'll have one in unspecified circumstances. Anyone thinking thatsa mandate isguessing

Wrong. They specify the circumstances and state that it would be "within the term of the next Scottish Parliament."

The Scottish Greens manifesto says the same.

 

and the Tories agree

 

Edited May 3, 2021 by LJS

[Ozanne]

 

 

[eFestivals]

53 minutes ago, LJS said:

Well, it's on pages 2,3 & 4 as well as having a 3 page section dedicated to independence & a referendum.

I don't think anyone is in any doubt that a vote for the SNP is a vote for a referendum.

Nice try though.

Do they specify the circumstances and timing for the ref or are they a bit vague.

[eFestivals]

3 hours ago, LJS said:

Wrong. They specify the circumstances and state that it would be "within the term of the next Scottish Parliament."

 

With someothrr vagaries that make it less than an absolute. 

3 hours ago, LJS said:

The Scottish Greens manifesto says the same.

 

and the Tories agree

So other parties are now able to set the SNP manefesto

[eFestivals]

Nats usingweselywords as bullshit that's never happened before only everytime sturgeon opens her miouth. 

How come you credit the manefesto as an absolute commitment but not the once in a lifetime in the 2014 white paper. The SNP and their supporters are full of shit about what are commitments. Sturgeon has comitted to binning over300000 of the best jobs in Scotland and also to worse than tory austerity. 

[Ryan1984]