news & politics:discussion

[steviewevie]

I guess this is about nationalising energy companies.

[Ozanne]

31 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Corbyn was right is trending …. Discuss …. In fairness I think he was … but not sure how electable he was … 

 

 

ducks for cover 

He definitely was right, we’d be in a much better position if Labour had won the 2019 GE. 

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I guess this is about nationalising energy companies.

yep and many other things .... but mostly that at the moment 

[lost]

55 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Corbyn was right is trending …. Discuss …. In fairness I think he was … but not sure how electable he was … 

 

 

ducks for cover 

 

Doing the magic grandpa routine and telling people they can anything they want is the easiest job in the world. There are two types of politician those that tell us how the world will be if they were in power and those that have actually been in power

[steviewevie]

30 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

He definitely was right, we’d be in a much better position if Labour had won the 2019 GE. 

I wonder what our policy would be regarding Russia-Ukraine war and Nato etc.

[Crazyfool01]

1 minute ago, lost said:

 

Doing the magic grandpa routine and telling people they can anything they want is the easiest job in the world. There are two types of politician those that tell us how the world will be if they were in power and those that have actually been in power

it wont change anything of course but hes still right on nationalisation in my opinion and I hope it'll be part of the labour announcement due ... but I dont think Starmer will be brave enough 

[squirrelarmy]

That’s the thing about Corbyn. Some of the ideas of what he wanted were the right thing to do. The problem was the other 95% of what he wanted was completely unpalatable and drove voters away in their millions. 
 

Has any other opposition leader damaged the country so much? 

[steviewevie]

anyway, the energy companies have pledged to work in the spirit of national unity. So, all good, crisis over.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, steviewevie said:

anyway, the energy companies have pledged to work in the spirit of national unity. So, all good, crisis over.

and then walked off after coming to this agreement 

[Ozanne]

It’s worth pointing out that nationalising the energy firms won’t solve the immediate crises with energy bills. It’s a solution for the medium to long term. We need to legislate to prevent bills from going up. 

[lost]

5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

it wont change anything of course but hes still right on nationalisation in my opinion and I hope it'll be part of the labour announcement due ... but I dont think Starmer will be brave enough 

nationalise what though? I'm hearing people quote profits from foreign oil fields as "ours" to combat the price rises quoted it would need billions and billions of tax payers money, the profit the actual companies who transport the energy to our houses is nothing when split between the population.

Edited August 11, 2022 by lost

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

That’s the thing about Corbyn. Some of the ideas of what he wanted were the right thing to do. The problem was the other 95% of what he wanted was completely unpalatable and drove voters away in their millions. 
 

Has any other opposition leader damaged the country so much? 

I don't know...like what? Seems like many problems were from his past, meeting various terrorist groups, the pacifism, the republicanism, the scary socialist in a beret thing. I think main problem was that he wasn't really up to it, he was fairly shit at managing the party, and fairly shit at the media inerviews although so is Starmer and so was Milliband. Should have given it to McDonnell, more media savvy, more pragmatic, more ideas.

[Ozanne]

If energy firms can’t be responsible with the tariffs they are charging citizens then they don’t deserve to be able to carry out that service and should be nationalised.

[lost]

I also seem to remember an article from before the 2019 election that in anticipation of a Corbyn government, alot of the infrastructure companies set up subsidiaries in Hong Kong and moved ownership of these assets there. The rules on nationalisation are water tight because they were set up by the British before we handed the place back to the communist party. These assets would be tied up in the court system for years without any investment.

[steviewevie]

Nationalise the big energy retailers. Nationalise N Sea oil/gas production. Invest in nuclear, offshore and onshore wind, and solar.

[fraybentos1]

5 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

If energy firms can’t be responsible with the tariffs they are charging citizens then they don’t deserve to be able to carry out that service and should be nationalised.

On Monday Starmer will say no nationalisations and you'll lap it up

[lost]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

. Nationalise N Sea oil/gas production.

That would be funny just to hear Sturgeon when 1p is spend on England.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, lost said:

That would be funny just to hear Sturgeon when 1p is spend on England.

Nationalise Scotland too.

[steviewevie]

Holiday in Crimea

 

[Ozanne]

Ultimately what we need to do is prevent energy firms putting the prices up so Gordon Brown’s suggesting is in my mind pretty good. I think Starmer might go along this type of line but either way I’m sure the package he’ll announce will be good. 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

I think there is a missed opportunity to nationalise Bulb. It has been essentially nationalised to the sum of 1.6 billion or so and is run through effectively through Ofgen. Given it buys it's energy on the market through green supplies it would show a commitment to net zero 

Edited August 11, 2022 by Rufus Gwertigan

[Ozanne]

6 minutes ago, Rufus Gwertigan said:

I think there is a missed opportunity to nationalise Bulb. It has been essentially nationalised to the sum of 1.6 billion or so and is run through effectively through Ofgen. Given it buys it's energy on the market through green supplies it would show a commitment to net zero 

Sounds like you’ve had a light-bulb moment. 

[Neil]

The losses of the likes of bulb have been nationalised, and someone has walked away with the profits, 

[Rufus Gwertigan]

16 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Sounds like you’ve had a light-bulb moment. 

Very few and far between I add

 

[steviewevie]

fuckin'ell. Listening to Radio 4 PM programme and they're live from Cheltenham where there's one of these hustings things, and they're talking to some of the tory members attending, and they sound coherent and sane etc, but also like total fucking c**ts imo. These select few are deciding the future direction of this country. So wrong.