news & politics:discussion

[Ozanne]

Just now, steviewevie said:

Time will tell..to be honest there's so much shit ahead of us who knows how things are going to go.

Indeed it will. I imagine this is probably an outlier given the other polls we’ve seen recently and the next YouGov one will correct it. 

[Neil]

Swimmer bitten by shark while snorkelling off coast of Cornwall

[steviewevie]

 

[BobWillis2]

2 hours ago, fraybentos1 said:

Hmmm @Ozannenot posting this one.... I wonder why.

A 1 point lead over the worst government in living memory. Embarrassing. 

[Ozanne]

19 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

Truss is walking it comfortably. She’ll likely get a boost in the polls but with the price cap announcement due shortly after she takes office it could well be short lived. 

[steviewevie]

27 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Truss is walking it comfortably. She’ll likely get a boost in the polls but with the price cap announcement due shortly after she takes office it could well be short lived. 

Got to wonder if Sunak will bother to carry on...may as well give up and head to the US for the mega bucks.

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Got to wonder if Sunak will bother to carry on...may as well give up and head to the US for the mega bucks.

I was wondering the same thing, I reckon he’ll jack it in at the next election if he doesn’t win now. 

[Neil]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I was wondering the same thing, I reckon he’ll jack it in at the next election if he doesn’t win now. 

If he hangs around for eighteen months hell be able to have another crack at it, based on the last ten years 

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Neil said:

If he hangs around for eighteen months hell be able to have another crack at it, based on the last ten years 

It will be Nadine's turn next

[Ozanne]

10 minutes ago, Neil said:

If he hangs around for eighteen months hell be able to have another crack at it, based on the last ten years 

I dunno if he’ll be able to recover his ratings with the Tory members. 

[BrotherEsau]

2 hours ago, BobWillis2 said:

A 1 point lead over the worst government in living memory. Embarrassing. 

2019 General Election:

CON: 44%

LAB: 32%

A 12% lead over the worst government in living memory.

Now that was embarrassing.

[Neil]

5 minutes ago, BrotherEsau said:

2019 General Election:

CON: 44%

LAB: 32%

A 12% lead over the worst government in living memory.

Now that was embarrassing.

labour with the worst leader in living memory, they're still paying for it now. cos starmer served under that awful leader.

[steviewevie]

7 hours ago, Neil said:

labour with the worst leader in living memory, they're still paying for it now. cos starmer served under that awful leader.

ok...to be fair to corbyn, labour were a lot closer than that in 2017...and in 2019 if May had still been there labour may well have got closer or even won, but Johnson had come along with his boosterism and his get brexit done thing and swept all aside. Also, after labour did better than expected in 2017 the press went full on attacking corbyn, scary lefty, pacifist, talks to terrorists and all that. Labour were divided badly under Corbyn, not all of which is his fault as shown in the Forde report, but also apparently there were divisions in Corbyn's team and policy etc. Antisemitism was a big problem that still Corbyn's side think is a conspiracy and a smear, and at same time was just used as something to attack Corbyn by the right of the party. But, Brexit did for labour in the end, divided it's voter coalition, and Boris with his promises to spend and level up and everything is going to be great won over labour brexit voters.

As for Starmer, yes labour still paying the cost of those brexit divisions, and now that Starmer has tried to distance himself from Corbyn and anything resembling being left wing he is alienating a not insignificant part of the electorate, but maybe a part that he can afford to lose to try and win an election. But, to win is almost impossible for labour, they've lost scotland, they lost loads of safe labour seats which they have to get back, and then they have to win in safe tory seats, the sort of seats Blair couldn't even win in. Main reason for labour polling well was Johnson and his partying and lies in the end, despite the state of the economy and everything else. Johnson is going so tories polling will inevitably recover a bit, but his replacement is not Johnson but the choice between two versions of a shitty right wing tory, and to top it off the economy is fucked and things are about to get a whole lot worse....

[steviewevie]

...and Truss says she will cut taxes, who doesn't like the sound of that? Let's see in 6 to 12 months time what they think.

[steviewevie]

Looks like Pelosi has started WW3.

[Ozanne]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

...and Truss says she will cut taxes, who doesn't like the sound of that? Let's see in 6 to 12 months time what they think.

Polling suggests people aren’t really sold on cutting taxes. 

[gary1979666]

9 hours ago, Neil said:

labour with the worst leader in living memory, they're still paying for it now. cos starmer served under that awful leader.

Ozanne had a go at all the Tory cabinet sitting on their hands in Johnson's reign - they were all accountable for Boris' mess, yet Starmer served in the shadow cabinet under a man he deems not to deserve the party whip. Double standards?

 

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Polling suggests people aren’t really sold on cutting taxes. 

oh, must be her good looks then.

[Neil]

1 hour ago, gary1979666 said:

Ozanne had a go at all the Tory cabinet sitting on their hands in Johnson's reign - they were all accountable for Boris' mess, yet Starmer served in the shadow cabinet under a man he deems not to deserve the party whip. Double standards?

 

there was a bigger attemp at removing corbyn than there was at removing johnson.

[gary1979666]

52 minutes ago, Neil said:

there was a bigger attemp at removing corbyn than there was at removing johnson.

Not by Starmer though.

It's by no way a defence of the Tories - but he's guilty of a similar thing.

[steviewevie]

 

[Ozanne]

Keir Starmer did resign from the shadow cabinet in 2016 as did many others at the time. 

[pink_triangle]

3 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

Always said this was a Boris issue and the Toris would bounce back.

I am not convinced. Assuming Truss wins, uncharismatic PMs don't have a good record in recent elections.

[Neil]

33 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Keir Starmer did resign from the shadow cabinet in 2016 as did many others at the time. 

But was then happy to have a shadow cabinet role, and he was dissed by the corbyn clique for daring to resign.