news & politics:discussion

[Ozanne]

Don’t get taken in by the Chancellors spin today, here’s a thread myth busting some of the claims:

 

[Ozanne]

They are so full of it. 

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

They are so full of it. 

When does my increase in national minimum wage start ? I’ve a feeling It’s going to be cancelled out by the increase in all the other basics … 

[Crazyfool01]

Good response from Rachel Reeves this .. 

[JoeyT]

The Met have some big issues don't they. Can't keep out of the news at the moment. 

 

[steviewevie]

 

[steviewevie]

Tories now the party of tax and spend? This could be a new labour budget. Maybe this is the blue labour that some wanted.

[Ozanne]

I guess if someone is happy that banks see cut in their taxes and a landlord will have to pay no extra tax on property whilst workers and renters have to pay more in NI taxes. 
 

There’s also the £6b council tax bombshell that Sunak didn’t comment on either. 

[steviewevie]

 

[Crazyfool01]

hes right 

 

[Ozanne]

24 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

 

She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing.

People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’.

[Ommadawn]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing.

People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’.

Maybe one of them could replace Starmer as leader then. They certainly did a better job then he would have done.

[Ozanne]

4 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

Maybe one of them could replace Starmer as leader then. They certainly did a better job then he would have done.

Starmer appointed Reeves as Shadow Chancellor so her strong performance reflects well on him too. They would’ve worked together on the response.

But you continue to try to find anything to criticise Labour with to deflect away from the Tories. 

[Ommadawn]

37 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

She did brilliantly by highlighting the flaws in the Chancellors budget and also outlining what Labour would be doing.

People should remember this when they say that ‘Labour offers nothing’.

I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following -

Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like.

We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like.

We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like.

We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like.

Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running.

The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance.

Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly).

Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. 

 

[Ozanne]

15 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following -

Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like.

We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like.

We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like.

We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like.

Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running.

The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance.

Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly).

Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. 

 

You moan they don’t offer policies, then when they do you moan that they aren’t costed (even though you said nothing about this before) or there’s something else wrong with them. I think we got to the route of the problem in your post before this one, Starmer. Which is fine just come out and say that instead of hiding behind this false pretence that you aren’t happy because they don’t ‘offer anything’ then move the goalposts when they do. 
 

They have literally done what you’ve asked for and offered policies that you’ve outlined so you can’t say anymore that we don’t know what they would offer. 

Edited October 27, 2021 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

19 minutes ago, Ommadawn said:

I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following -

Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like.

We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like.

We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like.

We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like.

Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running.

The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance.

Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly).

Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. 

 

Wow, tearing apart the labour response to a Tory budget, like a true red.

[Ozanne]

Nearly in hung Parliament territory. 

[fred quimby]

2 hours ago, Ommadawn said:

I've just read her speech and the only things mentioned that Labour would do are the following -

Labour would scrap the business rates and replace it with something much better by ensuring online giants pay their fair share. That’s what being pro-business looks like.

We wouldn’t put up National Insurance for working people, we would ensure those with the broadest shoulders pay their share. That’s what being on the side of working people looks like.

We’d end the £1.7 billion subsidy the Government gives private schools and put it straight into local state schools. That’s what being on the side of working families looks like.

We’d deliver a climate investment pledge – £28bn every year for the rest of the decade. That’s Giga-factories to build batteries for electric vehicles, a thriving hydrogen industry and retrofitting, so we keep homes warm and get energy bills down. That’s what real action on climate change looks like.

Nothing about how it's all going to be funded. The climate investment pledge will cost £224 billion pounds on it's own. How's that going to be funded - increase in taxes or borrowing? Even if you argue that the 'Giga factories' bring in extra money, that's still £28 billion to find in the first year alone and probably in subsequent years, until the factories have been built and up and running.

The business rates pledge is so woolly as to be meaningless as is the pledge on National Insurance.

Ending the subsidy given to private schools schools is good but hardly a vote winner particularly as many offer their sporting facilities to state school children (maybe not willingly).

Unlike you, I will continue to criticise Labour when I think it's necessary. I guess that makes me 'Tory scum', despite me voting for the party pretty much all my adult life. 

 

Not sure she should be giving costings at a response to the budget speech. Not the place really. 

They should obviously at some point.

On Starmer heard Frankie Boyle describe him as the picture you find in the new frame you bought. Liked that. 

[Ayrshire Chris]

The budget was one of the most incredible examples of turd polishing I’ve ever heard. 

[steviewevie]

Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now...

[Crazyfool01]

6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now...

Quite a lot of negative headlines too … and that report on brexit being twice as damaging to the economy as the pandemic might not go down so well … it’s slowly hitting home … the price change people at work aren’t seeing many things coming down in price and lots of big jumps 

[Ozanne]

33 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now...

Hardly, there’s loads of negative stuff out there and it’s becoming more evident every day that they’ve cut taxes for the banks and raised taxes for working people. 

[steviewevie]

26 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

Hardly, there’s loads of negative stuff out there and it’s becoming more evident every day that they’ve cut taxes for the banks and raised taxes for working people. 

Yeah but that's details, I'm talking about the headlines. But yeah, austerity is going to take more than that to fix, and at same time a lot of Tory MPs don't like sunak the slimy socialist.

[Ayrshire Chris]

1 hour ago, steviewevie said:

Budget's over, think they got away with it, few positive headlines...COP26 now...

[Gingerfish79]

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