Alex DeLarge Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 Britpop and it's consequences have had dire implications for the human race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 hour ago, Alex DeLarge said: Britpop and it's consequences have had dire implications for the human race. Interesting title for a dissertation but to convince me I need to read the full argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balti-pie Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 3 hours ago, Alex DeLarge said: Britpop and it's consequences have had dire implications for the human race. initially i'm broadly in agreement, and i'd like one of the most important parts of your thesis to feature annoying gonks on guitars at parties playing 'wonderwall'. And while Weller is the obvious one to blame for Wellend haircuts, we can DEFINITELY blame britpop for the inexplicable resurgence of mop-headed Wellends over the last 25 years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 12 minutes ago, balti-pie said: initially i'm broadly in agreement, and i'd like one of the most important parts of your thesis to feature annoying gonks on guitars at parties playing 'wonderwall'. Does that actually happen these days? Pretty sure I haven't heard Wonderwall at a party since 1998. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted October 19, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 It didn't cause Brexit all by itself but there must be some cause and effect in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 4 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: It didn't cause Brexit all by itself but there must be some cause and effect in there. I think they both just hit the same flagshagging sweet spot that already existed, rather than planting a nationalistic seed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balti-pie Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: Does that actually happen these days? Pretty sure I haven't heard Wonderwall at a party since 1998. i have, but i have a knobhead mate who knows it annoys me. Its become a self-perpetuating circle of hell and i'll only realistically break it by killing him. OR snapping his guitar strings . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 1 minute ago, balti-pie said: i have, but i have a knobhead mate who knows it annoys me. Its become a self-perpetuating circle of hell and i'll only realistically break it by killing him. OR snapping his guitar strings . . . Does he bring a capo with him as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClementsMike Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 46 minutes ago, balti-pie said: And while Weller is the obvious one to blame for Wellend haircuts, we can DEFINITELY blame britpop for the inexplicable resurgence of mop-headed Wellends over the last 25 years or so. It’s a lazy trope. Marriott created the style and Weller merely adopted it. He hasn’t had it that way in 10(?) years now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted October 19, 2021 Report Share Posted October 19, 2021 (edited) I remember watching a Paul Weller ‘day in the life’ type video on some channel or something. The Modfather visited his barber for a trim, and the documentarian asked the barber if he liked the hairstyle, the barber went “no, it’s too feminine”. The owned Mr. Weller had a right face on sat in the chair. 10/10 would watch again. edit: not that a feminine haircut is owt to be ashamed of - just your own barber not liking your hairstyle probably is Edited October 19, 2021 by dentalplan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 18 hours ago, CaledonianGonzo said: It didn't cause Brexit all by itself but there must be some cause and effect in there. Although with the exception of Noel Gallagher I can't think of a single Britpop artist who is pro-brexit and the age group that grew up with Britpop (which is very definitely my age group) are most certainly not the ones who voted for it. If we were going to argue that any musical movement was responsible for it surely it would be more Beatles/Stones/The Who generation. Obviously bought the hype that Britain was the best ever. I agree that Brit pop brought back a little of that belief in British exceptionalism but I think I have always seen it a bit more tongue in cheek etc. Ironically Britpop has a big following in Europe. I have a 22 year old colleague in Barcelona who listens to more Brit Pop than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maelzoid Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 13 minutes ago, gigpusher said: Although with the exception of Noel Gallagher I can't think of a single Britpop artist who is pro-brexit and the age group that grew up with Britpop (which is very definitely my age group) are most certainly not the ones who voted for it. If we were going to argue that any musical movement was responsible for it surely it would be more Beatles/Stones/The Who generation. Obviously bought the hype that Britain was the best ever. I agree that Brit pop brought back a little of that belief in British exceptionalism but I think I have always seen it a bit more tongue in cheek etc. Ironically Britpop has a big following in Europe. I have a 22 year old colleague in Barcelona who listens to more Brit Pop than me. It was ginger spice in that dress, wasn't it? "Thatcher was the original girl power" and all that. Seemed harmless at the time... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 (edited) 2 hours ago, maelzoid said: It was ginger spice in that dress, wasn't it? "Thatcher was the original girl power" and all that. Seemed harmless at the time... I don't really think of them as Britpop though. Britpop was more the indie scene that got popular Blur, Oasis, Pulp and the like. Edited October 20, 2021 by gigpusher Because Blur don't deserve to be confused with Blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 7 minutes ago, gigpusher said: I don't really think of them as Britpop though. Britpop was more the indie scene that got popular Blue, Oasis, Pulp and the like. Lee Ryan: Pioneer of Cool Britannia Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maelzoid Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 15 minutes ago, gigpusher said: I don't really think of them as Britpop though. Britpop was more the indie scene that got popular Blue, Oasis, Pulp and the like. Sure. I meant ginger was more responsible for the whole 'Britain is great' hype you spoke of. But just a joke. Spice Girls are guilty of a lot of things, but Brexit isn't one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeAntilles Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 1 hour ago, maelzoid said: It was ginger spice in that dress, wasn't it? "Thatcher was the original girl power" and all that. Seemed harmless at the time... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex DeLarge Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 Pulp were the exception to my Britpop thesis, but they came out of the Sheffield industrial/ electronic scene originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supernintendo Chalmers Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 I'll have no more Britpop bashing, thank you very much! 😀 It was popular music, predominantly from Britain. As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of acts around at the time despised the moniker and I can't think of a single punter that I associated myself with who ever suggested that they were into or listened to "Britpop" as a genre. Like most cultural movements, it was cynically hijacked by marketeers and red tops keen to ride the coat-tails of the biggest cultural phenomenon since the last one. Unfortunately I think it also suffers retrospectively from the Union flag symbolism that's more attached these days to the ridiculous levels of nationalism that have increased over the past decade. I don't think Noel Gallagher's Epiphone kills fascists as much as it wasn't a right wing call to arms. It was all tongue-in-cheek. It never struck me during the time that it was anything other than thinking that it was cool that our tiny island was the cultural centre of the planet once again for the first time since the mid-sixties...but just for a short while. I'd also argue that it was the "Britpop" generation that helped this country finally break free from years of Tory tyranny, only for the previous one to restore it again years later. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwedgeAntilles Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 I also agree that we can't blame Brit Pop, aside from Menswear who I'm pretty sure cursed us all with their existence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 55 minutes ago, Hugh Jass said: Lee Ryan: Pioneer of Cool Britannia Lol!! That's a bad typo to make 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gigpusher Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 21 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said: I'll have no more Britpop bashing, thank you very much! 😀 It was popular music, predominantly from Britain. As far as I'm aware, the vast majority of acts around at the time despised the moniker and I can't think of a single punter that I associated myself with who ever suggested that they were into or listened to "Britpop" as a genre. Like most cultural movements, it was cynically hijacked by marketeers and red tops keen to ride the coat-tails of the biggest cultural phenomenon since the last one. Yep and I think a lot of bands were lazily bundled in with it when they didn't really even quite have the sound. I know The Bluetones for example hated it at the time and felt like they weren't really part of that scene but were lumped in with it because they played guitars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sadimmock Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 44 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said: I also agree that we can't blame Brit Pop, aside from Menswear who I'm pretty sure cursed us all with their existence. Never had a truer sentence been uttered on this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balti-pie Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 46 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said: I also agree that we can't blame Brit Pop, aside from Menswear who I'm pretty sure cursed us all with their existence. This isnt anything to do with anything really, but my old flatmate at University shagged three members of Menswear, which almost unbelievably didnt involve the lead singer. She was a strange girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maelzoid Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 40 minutes ago, balti-pie said: This isnt anything to do with anything really, but my old flatmate at University shagged three members of Menswear, which almost unbelievably didnt involve the lead singer. She was a strange girl. At once? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex DeLarge Posted October 20, 2021 Report Share Posted October 20, 2021 I was going to make a pun based on menswear but the trouble is I don't have a subscription to Q Magazine so I don't know any of their music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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