CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Plus he won the Nobel Prize for literature specifically for the last verse of Po'boy Knockin' on the door, I say, "Who is it and where are you from?" Man says, "Freddy!" I say, "Freddy who?" He says, "Freddy or not here I come." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 "Wiggle wiggle Like a bowl of soup" Man deserved not just the Nobel Prize for that, but the Pulitzer, an Oscar, and the FA Cup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Actually, remembering Neighbourhood Bully maybe Two Hats is right and he does full blown suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Losing my hair Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 30 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: Bob Dylan is not one of the greats. He wasn't a musical innovator, he didn't write anything particularly distinctive and has a handful of half-decent, fairly ordinary songs. An average journeyman musician with a reputation many times greater than his actual output. Even his covers aren't that good. The title of the thread is "Your most controversial music opinions", which implies some sort of ownership of the opinion, not "Just be controversial because you've nothing better to do". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, CaledonianGonzo said: My dude literally invented rock music and this is the thanks he gets. Did he? Like, really? In which songs? Maybe his influence is so pervasive, that's why his music sound like wallpaper. What did he invent exactly? Particular chord progressions, rhythms or styles of arrangement? I don't see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, Mardy said: Dylan is the only true musical genius/artist of my lifetime. I haven't got the words to explain how astonishing I think he is. Just the best. Can you try? Like which songs are astonishing? Because all I'm aware of are some that are "quite good". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, stuartbert two hats said: Did he? Like, really? In which songs? Maybe his influence is so pervasive, that's why his music sound like wallpaper. What did he invent exactly? Particular chord progressions, rhythms or styles of arrangement? I don't see it. I would trace it back specifically to this moment. Full version here: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh Jass Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Not gonna lie, I’m also in the “Dylan is overrated” camp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 In a hundred years time, he'll be a footnote compared to Paul Simon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avalon_Fields Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Desolation Row for me is a song and lyrics as good as anyone’s done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said: In a hundred years time, he'll be a footnote compared to Paul Simon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Simon himself had never heard Bob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 6 minutes ago, Avalon_Fields said: Desolation Row for me is a song and lyrics as good as anyone’s done. Controversial take incoming: I dig MCR's cover of Desolation Row and I laughed out loud in the cinema when it concluded Zack Snyder's Watchmen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said: Can you try? Like which songs are astonishing? Because all I'm aware of are some that are "quite good". OK, I'll give it a go. But I won't succeed, I just can't. There's a dozens of books, millions of words been written about him, all by people more articulate than me. Where to start? For me he is all about that shift in culture, thought and behaviour of the late 20th century, from the extrinsic to the intrinsic, from the communal to the self. From songs about love and/or society to songs about dreams, about ideas, about what’s going on inside your head. ‘Mr Tambourine Man’ is such a towering achievement. It’s not about love, it’s not a protest song, it’s about what’s going on within him. Prior to Dylan, that was the realm of poets. This stuff had never been done in popular song before. He started something that became THE dominant cultural form. He changed everything. It all starts with him, singer songwriters trying to explain their vision, from late Beatles, to Cohen to Radiohead to, ah man, you name it, anyone, (including a lot of the stinkers, but hey, you can’t blame him for that) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mardy said: OK, I'll give it a go. But I won't succeed, I just can't. There's a dozens of books, millions of words been written about him, all by people more articulate than me. Where to start? For me he is all about that shift in culture, thought and behaviour of the late 20th century, from the extrinsic to the intrinsic, from the communal to the self. From songs about love and/or society to songs about dreams, about ideas, about what’s going on inside your head. ‘Mr Tambourine Man’ is such a towering achievement. It’s not about love, it’s not a protest song, it’s about what’s going on within him. Prior to Dylan, that was the realm of poets. This stuff had never been done in popular song before. He started something that became THE dominant cultural form. He changed everything. It all starts with him, singer songwriters trying to explain their vision, from late Beatles, to Cohen to Radiohead to, ah man, you name it, anyone, (including a lot of the stinkers, but hey, you can’t blame him for that) That's the thing about praise for Dylan, it's so rarely about the musical aspects, it's always this cultural thing. I'm interested in harmony, melody, rhythm, texture. And on that count, I can't see anything extraordinary about his work at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 The wrongest people in the history of music Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Just now, stuartbert two hats said: That's the thing about praise for Dylan, it's so rarely about the musical aspects, it's always this cultural thing. I'm interested in harmony, melody, rhythm, texture. And on that count, I can't see anything extraordinary about his work at all. because you're used to it. In the same way it's hard to see the revolutionary aspect of Monet's work now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 1 minute ago, stuartbert two hats said: That's the thing about praise for Dylan, it's so rarely about the musical aspects, it's always this cultural thing. I'm interested in harmony, melody, rhythm, texture. And on that count, I can't see anything extraordinary about his work at all. Texturally, and melodically, those 3 65/66 albums are astonishing. His voice, his music, it all moves me intensely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 To say he's not some studio production wizard a la Brian Wilson or Phil Spector is entirely fair. The magic is in the songs and the voice, with the lyrics doing more than their share of the hard work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 3 minutes ago, Mardy said: The wrongest people in the history of music Endlessly amusing self-ownage. Forebears of the Proper Bands, Proper Haircuts Glastonbury gatekeepers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dentalplan Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Threw It All Away is a Dylan song where I find the melody stands above the lyrics. A fantastic tune. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 I Want You is hooky as fuck. (Not that Hooky) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 I can't really get on with technically perfect voices. Dylan's moves me, Patti Smith's moves me, but I can't hack the clarity and purity of early Joni Mitchell. Sets my teeth on edge. I find it unlistenable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted May 15, 2021 Author Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 Big Joan Baez fan then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mardy Posted May 15, 2021 Report Share Posted May 15, 2021 anyway, I'm now doing a deep dive into the Cutting Edge box set, so some good has come of this thread. Nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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