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  1. 1. Following the Oxford Vaccine news will it go ahead?

    • Yes - I 100% believe
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    • Yes - I think so but not close to 100%. Need to see how the roll out progresses.
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    • Maybe - I'm 50/50
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    • Unlikely - Even with the latest news I think it's unlikely to take place
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    • No - The vaccine news is great but I can't see 200k people being allowed at Worthy Farm in June.
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5 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

Loving the positivity on here. As per usual i'll be **that guy** and try to temper the fervor somewhat*.

Glastonbury will clearly be one of the v last large events to get approval / have wherewithall to go ahead. June to me looks too tight a timeframe given the signif blindspots we have on vacc efficacy, delivery, reliability etc. We simply don't have the admin capacity to make this work [vaccinate near entire population / create verifiable passporting / confirm immunity to a precise point in the future].

To me, 2022 looks a near certainty and will indeed resemble something close to 2019. This is hugely positive.

Even with a hugely successful vacc programme in the Spring, 2021 is still possessed of too many variables and risks.

*Married to microbiologist

80 words and not one of them is the word 'testing'.

Testing will get us over the hurdles you mention.

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At this stage, while it's looking unlikely to a lot of people that Glastonbury will be going ahead, let's just remember that even if it doesn't, by the time we get to late June the situation in the co

Inevitable I suppose    

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4 minutes ago, Wooderson said:

All ears sir, please elaborate.

Ok, so of course I don't know the details (didn't mean to sound so arrogant) but seems like very possible to have people show e.g. a QR code on their phone upon arrival to show PCR test completed within previous 72 hours.

By June the cost of these tests will have dropped off a cliff.

That is how some countries are handling this risk today and they are seeing this as acceptable. 

It's not perfect but it will reduce transmission.

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it's going to go ahead, barring the unexpected.

Govt is making all the right noises, and it's clear they're hoping to end restrictions from around Easter.

They'll be in a position to make more certain and more explicit noises once a bit of vaccine has been rolled out, and that won't be too long into the future or too late for Glastonbury.

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35 minutes ago, Stu H said:

Numerous things;

Furlough ends March. Money running out / can't bank-roll any more

Legality runs out in March, there'll be no justification for restrictions beyond then (anything will go through standard Parliamentary scrutiny, not Emergency Powers)

Vaccine roll out through Dec onwards

Country is reaching a more natural level of immunity in the population (I'm sure many have lots of thoughts on this, it's merely an opinion based on lots of reading, but please treat it as such)

 

There will simply be almost zero COVID in the UK come June.

Therefore, we party on!

I don’t know why the internet has decided legality runs out in March. The legislation can be extended for upto 2 years without another vote. 

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It will surely go ahead barring the unexpected.  Hopefully, despite all folks reservations, over the next few crucial months we don’t let our guards down.  Everyone has to continue to social distance, hand washing, obeying the restrictions etc. No matter what is to be allowed at Xmas we’ve decided to err on the side of caution, we will see our grandkids with their pressies but no other meetings with relatives and friends or family dinners. 

Xmas will be a time to reflect on the horrendous year that is about to end and look forward to next year. Giving up a visit to a pub or a family meal will be worth the sacrifice if, when the clocks spring forward, we can all look forward to holidays and meeting at the farm. 

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1 hour ago, Stu H said:

Numerous things;

Furlough ends March. Money running out / can't bank-roll any more

Legality runs out in March, there'll be no justification for restrictions beyond then (anything will go through standard Parliamentary scrutiny, not Emergency Powers)

 

 

25 minutes ago, Old_Johno said:

I don’t know why the internet has decided legality runs out in March. The legislation can be extended for upto 2 years without another vote. 

As far as I understand it the Coronavirus Act automatically expires in March 2022 with a vote every 6 months to keep it or not.

However the tier system and a lot of the day to day restrictions have nothing to do with the act.

The powers to exert those come from the Health Protection act 1984 which gives the Secretary of State the sweeping powers he's used to implement things like the tiers. 

Those powers will still exist but it becomes harder to justify that there's an emergency requiring their use.

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3 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

 

As far as I understand it the Coronavirus Act automatically expires in March 2022 with a vote every 6 months to keep it or not.

However the tier system and a lot of the day to day restrictions have nothing to do with the act.

The powers to exert those come from the Health Protection act 1984 which gives the Secretary of State the sweeping powers he's used to implement things like the tiers. 

Those powers will still exist but it becomes harder to justify that there's an emergency requiring their use.

Trying hard to restrain the pedant in me, but you have quoted a non existent act, and nowhere in the wording of the relevant correct legislation (Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 84) is there a requirement for, or mention of, an emergency.

All they mention is: " ...,, serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England. The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat."

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I'm not convinced with festivals going ahead especially one as large as Glastonbury...

I hope the vaccine roll out timeline works out but I'm not sure it will, plus you have all the internationals whether that be customers, workers or acts to contend with

Then we have the anti vaxers and nervous folk that vaccine has been rushed who won't get the jab

Obviously festivals can't be the socially distanced affairs they are looking to implement with sports at no either IMO.

So you have alot of people mixing from all over of which maybe a 3rd have been vaccinated (total guess)... it just seems very high risk to me

Don't think my gigs in Feb and March will be happening either :(

I'm so conflicted I want them to happen but I can see safely how they can

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14 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

I'm not convinced with festivals going ahead especially one as large as Glastonbury...

I hope the vaccine roll out timeline works out but I'm not sure it will, plus you have all the internationals whether that be customers, workers or acts to contend with

Then we have the anti vaxers and nervous folk that vaccine has been rushed who won't get the jab

Obviously festivals can't be the socially distanced affairs they are looking to implement with sports at no either IMO.

So you have alot of people mixing from all over of which maybe a 3rd have been vaccinated (total guess)... it just seems very high risk to me

Don't think my gigs in Feb and March will be happening either :(

I'm so conflicted I want them to happen but I can see safely how they can

Shooo shooo 

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28 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

I'm not convinced with festivals going ahead especially one as large as Glastonbury...

I hope the vaccine roll out timeline works out but I'm not sure it will, plus you have all the internationals whether that be customers, workers or acts to contend with

Then we have the anti vaxers and nervous folk that vaccine has been rushed who won't get the jab

Obviously festivals can't be the socially distanced affairs they are looking to implement with sports at no either IMO.

So you have alot of people mixing from all over of which maybe a 3rd have been vaccinated (total guess)... it just seems very high risk to me

Don't think my gigs in Feb and March will be happening either :(

I'm so conflicted I want them to happen but I can see safely how they can

Don't need everyone going to be vaccinated, just the vulnerable. Might be some of those who refuse a vaccine, but that's their choice, the country isn't going to keep protecting them if they do so. 

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32 minutes ago, shoptildrop said:

I'm not convinced with festivals going ahead especially one as large as Glastonbury...

I hope the vaccine roll out timeline works out but I'm not sure it will, plus you have all the internationals whether that be customers, workers or acts to contend with

Then we have the anti vaxers and nervous folk that vaccine has been rushed who won't get the jab

Obviously festivals can't be the socially distanced affairs they are looking to implement with sports at no either IMO.

So you have alot of people mixing from all over of which maybe a 3rd have been vaccinated (total guess)... it just seems very high risk to me

Don't think my gigs in Feb and March will be happening either :(

I'm so conflicted I want them to happen but I can see safely how they can

I dont think Feb and March gigs will happen but govt have said a few times no social distancing by easter is their aim

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People are overestimating the public appetite for restrictions beyond the spring and underestimating how desperate the government are to see the back of this. After being told “we’ll be back to normal around Easter” people are not going to keep up with the restrictions after that point. They’ve put a timescale on it now and I really think, barring something drastic, that’s going to be the finish line. The government won’t care if Glastonbury, or any other large event, is 100% safe. As long as it’s safe enough.

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7 minutes ago, jparx said:

People are overestimating the public appetite for restrictions beyond the spring and underestimating how desperate the government are to see the back of this. After being told “we’ll be back to normal around Easter” people are not going to keep up with the restrictions after that point. They’ve put a timescale on it now and I really think, barring something drastic, that’s going to be the finish line. The government won’t care if Glastonbury, or any other large event, is 100% safe. As long as it’s safe enough.

Yup. They'll vaccinate as many of the over 50s and vulnerable as possible and will then open up

 

(And I think this applies to most world govt btw)

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If the Government want to give festivals the chance to go ahead, especially one's with the infrastructure of Glastonbury, something should be put in place where if they can't go ahead come to the time of the festival and have to be pulled last minute, the Government cover the costs involved.

Obviously Glastonbury have a lot to sort well in advance, not least contracts for building the site. It's impossible for them to call it 6 months prior. We're told the vaccine will be fully rolled out to those who need it most by early next year and a lot should be closer to normal by April. Going off that information, Glastonbury (and other major festivals) need the flexibility to crack on like everything is going ahead. If they have to be pulled close to the festival date, for a reason out of their control, then they should get the financial support required. It's the logical way to try and sort things for the summer, I won't hold my breath though...

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59 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Trying hard to restrain the pedant in me, but you have quoted a non existent act, and nowhere in the wording of the relevant correct legislation (Public Health (Control of Diseases) Act 84) is there a requirement for, or mention of, an emergency.

All they mention is: " ...,, serious and imminent threat to public health which is posed by the incidence and spread of severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARSCoV-2) in England. The Secretary of State considers that the restrictions and requirements imposed by these Regulations are proportionate to what they seek to achieve, which is a public health response to that threat."

Yes sorry this is the precise wording. Tothe pedant I'd say that it will be harder in March to justify that Coronavirus is a serious and imminent threat. 😉

 

And you're right I've mixed up the Health protection regulations which are the statutory instruments made under the 1984 Public Health act.

The statutory instruments upon which the current lockdown and tier system were implemented were made under the "emergency procedure", section 45R, of the 1984 act, so not requiring approval resolutions of both houses.

 

 

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15 minutes ago, jparx said:

People are overestimating the public appetite for restrictions beyond the spring and underestimating how desperate the government are to see the back of this. After being told “we’ll be back to normal around Easter” people are not going to keep up with the restrictions after that point. They’ve put a timescale on it now and I really think, barring something drastic, that’s going to be the finish line. The government won’t care if Glastonbury, or any other large event, is 100% safe. As long as it’s safe enough.

Totally agree, my argument has always been that it isn't about whether Glasto is totally safe, just that it can satisfy some arbitrary guidelines to make it look like the government are trying to make it safe. These are almost certainly two very different things!

Was the quote from BoJo along the lines of saying that the plan is to go back to normal once the vulnerable are all vaccinated accurate? 

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1 minute ago, thrillhouse188 said:

Totally agree, my argument has always been that it isn't about whether Glasto is totally safe, just that it can satisfy some arbitrary guidelines to make it look like the government are trying to make it safe. These are almost certainly two very different things!

Was the quote from BoJo along the lines of saying that the plan is to go back to normal once the vulnerable are all vaccinated accurate? 

with all those sanitisers ( empty ) it will be covid secure anyway :) 

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6 minutes ago, thrillhouse188 said:

Totally agree, my argument has always been that it isn't about whether Glasto is totally safe, just that it can satisfy some arbitrary guidelines to make it look like the government are trying to make it safe. These are almost certainly two very different things!

Was the quote from BoJo along the lines of saying that the plan is to go back to normal once the vulnerable are all vaccinated accurate? 

Bojo and handcock said no social distancing is the aim my easter

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