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Will the 2021 festival go ahead?


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Glastonbury 2021   

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  1. 1. Following the Oxford Vaccine news will it go ahead?

    • Yes - I 100% believe
      43
    • Yes - I think so but not close to 100%. Need to see how the roll out progresses.
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    • Maybe - I'm 50/50
      87
    • Unlikely - Even with the latest news I think it's unlikely to take place
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    • No - The vaccine news is great but I can't see 200k people being allowed at Worthy Farm in June.
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25 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

@eFestivals I know you said something the the other day about the Government having a word in the Eavis’s ear. I thought the comment was just tongue in cheek, but do you think there is any possibility that with the refund deadline being extended. Someone has actually told them to hold on a bit longer? Do you think there is any dialogue happening there, or just the festival making their own estimations?

I'm not entirely sure the deadline has been recently extended. According to DukeIcon it's always been like that (tho he's wrong about that, it definitely said January at some point).

Me saying govt might have had a word wasn't a comment based on any info I've heard, just some personal speculation.

I can't see how an offer of insurance to the industry can work (I won't repeat what I see as the irresolvable issues), but I also think the govt will be keen for 'international' events such as Glastonbury to go ahead if it's possible for Glastonbury to go ahead.

Which probably makes a nod and a wink about a way of the govt refunding lost costs (if it has to cancel) to a few select events the way for the govt to go.

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8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Someone at the DCMS could have given them the nod that there would be a package of some sort to help out for the summer.

Possible, although if the treasury has agreed to that there's no real reason why the treasury couldn't make that public now, so festivals could continue planning knowing there's that fall-back in place.

I was thinking about something more bespoke being offered & doled out on the quiet(ish) to a few select high profile events, to enable those few events to keep on planning.

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6 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I'm not entirely sure the deadline has been recently extended. According to DukeIcon it's always been like that (tho he's wrong about that, it definitely said January at some point).

The last snapshot at web.archive.org - Nov 29th - definitely says Jan.

The fact that they've not captured a page with the new date yet suggests that it must be a pretty recent change.

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Just now, Leyrulion said:

The budget is 3rd march, if there's too be any support it'll probably come out then.

ahh, you might be onto something. Sunak has said he plans to announce more covid support then, so further on-going support for cultural stuff could be announced then.

And could also mean that Glastonbury might have been tipped off about that, to encourage it to keep planning.

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I’ve previously felt any sort of testing programme would be unworkable, certainly on-site. But with the vaccinations going as they are, taking a test a couple of days before would probably suffice. Realistically you don’t need to get the whole event Covid free, based on testing and last summers numbers you might end up with 10-20 people with it, which won’t be the end of the world. 

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4 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’ve previously felt any sort of testing programme would be unworkable, certainly on-site. But with the vaccinations going as they are, taking a test a couple of days before would probably suffice. Realistically you don’t need to get the whole event Covid free, based on testing and last summers numbers you might end up with 10-20 people with it, which won’t be the end of the world. 

I'd say testing was viable if infections are at a low-ish level similar to last summer. If it's raging like it is now it's probably too ineffective.

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Just now, eFestivals said:

ahh, you might be onto something. Sunak has said he plans to announce more covid support then, so further on-going support for cultural stuff could be announced then.

And could also mean that Glastonbury might have been tipped off about that, to encourage it to keep planning.

This got me thinking how much notice do all of the little sub sectors which make up the festival require in reality?

Obviously traders for instance usually have their applications in by now, when in a usual year do they find out if they have a pitch? I suppose things like stock / suppliers is what they would need to consider before committing to a pitch. Would the festival also consider lowering the cost of a pitch? I have no idea how much they usually cost but assume it's a pretty penny!

How much notice do the stage companies / fence company require? Most of these sectors have been smashed by the virus. Will they have the staff?

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1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

I'd say testing was viable if infections are at a low-ish level similar to last summer. If it's raging like it is now it's probably too ineffective.

Yeah, absolutely. Obviously it’s way too early to tell yet as far as the impact of the vaccinations is concerned, by March we should know a lot more of course. But if it’s gone well and has had a positive impact on not just deaths and hospitalisations, but infections, then I could see the government giving the go ahead on the proviso of some sort of testing scheme. But that testing scheme needn’t be an on site one designed to weed everyone out, but more of a token thing to attempt to do that.

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5 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

This got me thinking how much notice do all of the little sub sectors which make up the festival require in reality?

Obviously traders for instance usually have their applications in by now, when in a usual year do they find out if they have a pitch? I suppose things like stock / suppliers is what they would need to consider before committing to a pitch. Would the festival also consider lowering the cost of a pitch? I have no idea how much they usually cost but assume it's a pretty penny!

How much notice do the stage companies / fence company require? Most of these sectors have been smashed by the virus. Will they have the staff?

I'd guess festivals are booking in traders but not taking a fee from them.

Likewise, I guess infrastructure companies are booking in festivals and not taking a fee, and hope they can get up and running quickly if things start happening.

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11 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

This got me thinking how much notice do all of the little sub sectors which make up the festival require in reality?

Obviously traders for instance usually have their applications in by now, when in a usual year do they find out if they have a pitch? I suppose things like stock / suppliers is what they would need to consider before committing to a pitch. Would the festival also consider lowering the cost of a pitch? I have no idea how much they usually cost but assume it's a pretty penny!

How much notice do the stage companies / fence company require? Most of these sectors have been smashed by the virus. Will they have the staff?

Supposedly a food traders pitch costs between £3000 and £17,000. Guess that depends if you’re in the car park or next to the Pyramid. 
 

Stock- probably get an order in down the cash and carry. Staff- for a food van I guess they’ll be okay, probs need a handful of staff in exchange for a ticket. Easy sell.

staging lighting fencing etc. Guess they’re all on standby desperate for some work. Some Might have picked up other jobs but should be able to Mitigate for that.

Who owns the mega fence? Where else is it used? Be interesting to see if it sat in a warehouse apart from Glasto. 

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I believe I’ve read there is on a onsite supplier that traders have to buy stock from? Not necessarily the stock they bring, but if they run out of stuff? 

Edit: This is the bit I mean

I AM A FOOD TRADER, HOW DO I GET MORE STOCK DURING THE FESTIVAL?

We work hard to minimise vehicle movement therefore rather than having masses of delivery vehicles driving around the site, we have a variety of approved wholesalers who are able to supply a wide range of products including chilled and frozen foods, disposables, gas, fruit and vegetables, meat, milk, bread, charcoal, refrigeration and ethical produce. These wholesalers deliver to stalls both before and during the Festival, in addition there is an onsite wholesale market which traders can visit on foot to collect supplies. Further information will be available as part of the application process. Please note we have a strict policy regarding on-site deliveries and we strongly recommend you check the details of our on-site wholesalers before you enter any agreements with a foodservice wholesaler as they may not be allowed on site.

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21 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I’ve previously felt any sort of testing programme would be unworkable, certainly on-site. But with the vaccinations going as they are, taking a test a couple of days before would probably suffice. Realistically you don’t need to get the whole event Covid free, based on testing and last summers numbers you might end up with 10-20 people with it, which won’t be the end of the world. 

I imagine it will be much like what they're doing on the borders now, where they require a negative test up to 72 hours before travelling. If they can do it for international travellers given the concerns about new variants, I'm sure that would be more than adequate for an event in this country. No need to test on site, especially given all the concerns about what to do with those that test positive.

I know that you now need to isolate for 10 days too when travelling into the UK, but this I think is only in place for the next month or so before it gets reviewed, so imagine this will have been relaxed somewhat by the time we get to the end of June.

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2 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I believe I’ve read there is on a onsite supplier that traders have to buy stock from? Not necessarily the stock they bring, but if they run out of stuff? 

yeah, cos driving around & off-site isn't allowed. The traders wholesaler is located behind the William's Green stage.

I'm fairly sure it's operated by a local-ish wholesalers firm, who just bring in supplies they're trading with anyway.

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2 minutes ago, Old_Johno said:

Who owns the mega fence? Where else is it used? Be interesting to see if it sat in a warehouse apart from Glasto. 

A company that keeps changing its name due to mergers/takeovers, but apparently currently known as Sunbelt Rentals.

The fence gets used all over the place. I believe it lives in a field near Chesterfield most of the year.

3 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I believe I’ve read there is on a onsite supplier that traders have to buy stock from? Not necessarily the stock they bring, but if they run out of stuff? 

Yes - for core items at least. Deliveries (that require vehicle movements) are restricted during public days and so traders are expected to use the on-site wholesaler where posisble, though exceptions are made so that specialist stuff can still be brought in.

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The current round of Arts Council funding info aims for the return of viable live events in July. Glastonbury can only be viable at full capacity. Although the rate of vaccinations offers a glimmer of hope we can celebrate the other side of this storm on the farm, I do fear as many have said June may come a tad bit too soon. 

 

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1 hour ago, Old_Johno said:

Supposedly a food traders pitch costs between £3000 and £17,000. Guess that depends if you’re in the car park or next to the Pyramid. 

In 2010 I camped in Big Ground fairly close to an ice cream van and got chatting to the staff over the weekend a few times, one of them said the owner owned five vans, each of which was taking in over £10k per day but didn't tell me how much each pitch cost!

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24 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

just had a festival organiser tell me that they've heard thru the grapevine that there may be positive news about cancellation insurance this week.

 

To me, this is the single biggest hurdle. If the government underwrite he industry, I see no reason to not press ahead as if it were happening. I also believe that the UK will be in a position for this to go ahead in June through vaccinations and testing. 

 

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