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  1. 1. Following the Oxford Vaccine news will it go ahead?

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Given at current vaccination rates they could do the entire Glastonbury crowd in half a day.

I wonder if the festival could be a pilot scheme, they will have done the priority groups in plenty of time to open up to other groups.

A combination of out of hours vaccine slots say 6-8 am and 8-10pm for anyone in the general public to book, a Glastonbury ticket will give you a slot before June.  Needing to link your ticket to the vaccine for entrance.

3-4 days of wall to wall coverage of life being normal would be a good look for the government at home and abroad. Loads of British artists on display etc.

I think there will be an event chosen to test it out. I'd say FA cup final would be logistically easier though. 

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11 minutes ago, august1 said:

Given at current vaccination rates they could do the entire Glastonbury crowd in half a day.

I wonder if the festival could be a pilot scheme, they will have done the priority groups in plenty of time to open up to other groups.

A combination of out of hours vaccine slots say 6-8 am and 8-10pm for anyone in the general public to book, a Glastonbury ticket will give you a slot before June.  Needing to link your ticket to the vaccine for entrance.

3-4 days of wall to wall coverage of life being normal would be a good look for the government at home and abroad. Loads of British artists on display etc.

I think there will be an event chosen to test it out. I'd say FA cup final would be logistically easier though. 

I was thinking about this, Oxford vaccine is less than £3 a dose (not withstanding all the logistical costs of actually administering it).

Its quite frustrating really as that would be the easy answer to it, just vaccinate everyone who is going.

The problem is the whole world needs vaccinating and the vaccines can’t be produced anywhere near fast enough for everyone to have one when they want one.

Morally it wouldn’t be right to vaccinate people just so they can go to Glastonbury, the right way to do it is to vaccinate everyone in order of their vulnerability. 

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1 hour ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Let’s face it, in the grand scheme of things the cost for the government to provide insurance cover for the events Industry would be a drop in the ocean. Sure, it would be a big number, but in the context of the furlough scheme, test and trace, the vaccination programme it would be minuscule.

It really wouldn’t be that hard to provide, carry on planning your festivals etc as if they’re going to happen and if at any point they become unviable then the cover will reimburse all your costs incurred.

The problem is we don’t know the governments intentions and what their metrics are for getting things back to normal.

Its possible they want all parts of the economy back functioning as quickly as possible and they might include events within that. So it might be in their interests to encourage events to plan for the summer which is where insurance cover would come in.

Equally they might not see events as that important as far as the economy is concerned and aren’t inclined to underwrite them.

Nobody really knows at this stage, but if the inclination is there then it really won’t be a difficult thing to put in place.

Going to make sure I word this correctly but I feel that events like Glastonbury are considered high risk and low priority. They will first open pubs and maybe allow small gathering shows to go ahead (maybe with looser restrictions than what we had this summer). However they are going to trial this period for a bit before having events where people are packed like sardines.

Sport events will either go ahead without a crowd or a reduced crowd. This summer will be a gradual easing of restrictions and seeing whether the vaccine really does knock numbers down.

People are getting vaccinated at the moment and numbers are still shocking. The government were not cautious at the start but I feel like they are going to be overly cautious now. They know if they fuck up the vaccine roll out or let more mutant strains run rampant we are in real trouble.

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10 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Going to make sure I word this correctly but I feel that events like Glastonbury are considered high risk and low priority. They will first open pubs and maybe allow small gathering shows to go ahead (maybe with looser restrictions than what we had this summer). However they are going to trial this period for a bit before having events where people are packed like sardines.

Sport events will either go ahead without a crowd or a reduced crowd. This summer will be a gradual easing of restrictions and seeing whether the vaccine really does knock numbers down.

People are getting vaccinated at the moment and numbers are still shocking. The government were not cautious at the start but I feel like they are going to be overly cautious now. They know if they fuck up the vaccine roll out or let more mutant strains run rampant we are in real trouble.

I think it depends on wether we’re talking no social distancing or not.

If we’re not talking about social distancing being in place, then in my mind every pub open 7 days a week every day is going to be a greater risk than the events industry. Really it’s just optics, people being packed together in crowds looks bad, but what is the difference between that and taking a lot more people and putting them into a pubs all across the country, every day, 7 days a week.

The flipisde to that is of course that pubs probably contribute a lot more to the economy and also benefit more of the population. More people overall enjoy going to the pub than go to festivals.

So in terms of risk vs reward, yeah pubs will  be a higher priority to the government. But in terms of the entire pub network as an ecosystem (with no social distancing) vs the events industry, logically pubs will represent a greater risk of spread of the virus than events, it’s just events look bad by comparison.

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17 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Going to make sure I word this correctly but I feel that events like Glastonbury are considered high risk and low priority. They will first open pubs and maybe allow small gathering shows to go ahead (maybe with looser restrictions than what we had this summer). However they are going to trial this period for a bit before having events where people are packed like sardines.

Sport events will either go ahead without a crowd or a reduced crowd. This summer will be a gradual easing of restrictions and seeing whether the vaccine really does knock numbers down.

People are getting vaccinated at the moment and numbers are still shocking. The government were not cautious at the start but I feel like they are going to be overly cautious now. They know if they fuck up the vaccine roll out or let more mutant strains run rampant we are in real trouble.

That’s because most people only got their vaccine since the start of the year, so the 3 weeks with which the vaccine starts to offer any protection hasn’t elapsed yet. Plus they’ve only vaccinated c. 40% of the over 80s so far, so the majority of over 80s are still unprotected. We will need to wait a few more weeks before the vaccines start having any noticeable effect on the numbers hospitalised and dying.

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18 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Going to make sure I word this correctly but I feel that events like Glastonbury are considered high risk and low priority. They will first open pubs and maybe allow small gathering shows to go ahead (maybe with looser restrictions than what we had this summer). However they are going to trial this period for a bit before having events where people are packed like sardines.

Sport events will either go ahead without a crowd or a reduced crowd. This summer will be a gradual easing of restrictions and seeing whether the vaccine really does knock numbers down.

People are getting vaccinated at the moment and numbers are still shocking. The government were not cautious at the start but I feel like they are going to be overly cautious now. They know if they fuck up the vaccine roll out or let more mutant strains run rampant we are in real trouble.

Once those over-65s are vaccinated, there will be a real clamour for things to open quickly. The evil backbenchers have already started. Spaffer needs to stay strong and open up things gradually. But this is his party’s core fan base - can he disappoint them?

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3 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I think it depends on wether we’re talking no social distancing or not.

If we’re not talking about social distancing being in place, then in my mind every pub open 7 days a week every day is going to be a greater risk than the events industry. Really it’s just optics, people being packed together in crowds looks bad, but what is the difference between that and taking a lot more people and putting them into a pubs all across the country, every day, 7 days a week.

The flipisde to that is of course that pubs probably contribute a lot more to the economy and also benefit more of the population. More people overall enjoy going to the pub than go to festivals.

So in terms of risk vs reward, yeah pubs will  be a higher priority to the government. But in terms of the entire pub network as an ecosystem (with no social distancing) vs the events industry, logically pubs will represent a greater risk of spread of the virus than events, it’s just events look bad by comparison.

It may also be a track and trace thing (if that’s even going ahead). In a pub is a bit easier to track who was there at what time and who they came into contact with. Festival - no bloody chance. If you asked me to remember my steps one night I wouldn’t have a clue.

The science is questionable but in their eyes pubs probably feel more controlled (even though as you said the logic does fall apart if you think deeply).

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2 minutes ago, Ryan1984 said:

Once those over-65s are vaccinated, there will be a real clamour for things to open quickly. The evil backbenchers have already started. Spaffer needs to stay strong and open up things gradually. But this is his party’s core fan base - can he disappoint them?

Yes I agree - but Glastonbury and events of that nature are back of the queue in terms of priority. There will be a window given to see how things change with pubs, sporting events, shopping centres / any small gatherings. + there will probably be some rules on travel which allow people to go on holiday. The back benches won’t be complaining about Glastonbury if the pubs are open.

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21 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

 

Morally it wouldn’t be right to vaccinate people just so they can go to Glastonbury, the right way to do it is to vaccinate everyone in order of their vulnerability. 

There’s different ways of looking at it. It’s possible to argue it isn’t morally right to do until the most vulnerable across the world are vaccinated. It’s likely to be a limited resource worldwide until 2022 at least so how long do we extend the limitations imposed upon us? 

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4 minutes ago, tigger123 said:

That’s because most people only got their vaccine since the start of the year, so the 3 weeks with which the vaccine starts to offer any protection hasn’t elapsed yet. Plus they’ve only vaccinated c. 40% of the over 80s so far, so the majority of over 80s are still unprotected. We will need to wait a few more weeks before the vaccines start having any noticeable effect on the numbers hospitalised and dying.

Yes exactly that. There’s still too many waiting windows before we’re back to normality. It will be a more relaxed version of what they tried last year where things open gradually and the gov sees how things go. It won’t be everything is open on this magical date.

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The other thing is not everyone in the country has a ticket to Glastonbury or a gig they really want to go to. I know it feels like a lot to us but that won’t be the priority of most of the country. What the masses want is a period where they are allowed to mix again and socialise in a controlled fashion. The government trialling this in the summer but keeping the big sardine packed events on hold until next year would be shit for us but a lot of people probably won’t think twice about it.

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1 minute ago, Matt42 said:

Yes I agree - but Glastonbury and events of that nature are back of the queue in terms of priority. There will be a window given to see how things change with pubs, sporting events, shopping centres / any small gatherings. + there will probably be some rules on travel which allow people to go on holiday. The back benches won’t be complaining about Glastonbury if the pubs are open.

At the end of the spring lockdown, one of them embarrassed himself by shouting ‘hallelujah’ when Boris announced the pubs would be reopening.

I think you are right - it’s going to be a scaled reopening building up to mass events. I think football matches might be the best indicator of where we are heading in that area?

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1 minute ago, Avalon_Fields said:

There’s different ways of looking at it. It’s possible to argue it isn’t morally right to do until the most vulnerable across the world are vaccinated. It’s likely to be a limited resource worldwide until 2022 at least so how long do we extend the limitations imposed upon us? 

Yeah I agree, it’s difficult. I suppose all we can do is look at how we can distribute it within our own country. I guess as a minimum you’ve probably got to look at vaccinating everyone above 50 before you look at how you distribute the rest, then that perhaps you can be more flexible.

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1 minute ago, Ryan1984 said:

At the end of the spring lockdown, one of them embarrassed himself by shouting ‘hallelujah’ when Boris announced the pubs would be reopening.

I think you are right - it’s going to be a scaled reopening building up to mass events. I think football matches might be the best indicator of where we are heading in that area?

The reason why I disagree with the Cheltenham comparison or the football match comparison is that they can have a reduced crowd and still have the same event. 
 

A sardine crowd packed full of rowdy lot getting off with eachother and sharing germs is the glue which holds Glastonbury together. Without that you have no event. There’s literally no way you cannot have the same capacity and not get the same event. 

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8 hours ago, eFestivals said:

here's what festival promoters think:

https://www.nme.com/news/music/restarting-live-music-in-2021-gig-and-festival-bosses-on-what-to-expect-2857761

Melvin: I’m super confident about the end of the summer, I’m super confident about the beginning of the summer.

Also Melvin: "I suppose I’m taking Matt Hancock and the Prime Minister’s word."
 

16 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

If we’re not talking about social distancing being in place, then in my mind every pub open 7 days a week every day is going to be a greater risk than the events industry. Really it’s just optics, people being packed together in crowds looks bad, but what is the difference between that and taking a lot more people and putting them into a pubs all across the country, every day, 7 days a week.

It's not just the economic benefit, it's the sense of cultural normality that your average voter will feel. Glastonbury is unlikely to change anyone's vote, but if pubs and smaller events are shut across the country, that could severely impact attitudes towards the government. Again, the only thing the Tories care more about than the perception they're responsible with the economy, is holding power regardless of what it takes.

So they'll open up pubs as quick as they can, probably against health advice if they stay true to form. But festivals like Glastonbury can get fucked, I'd imagine.

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46 minutes ago, zahidf said:

It looks like they'll reach their Feb target on first doses.

I'm a few weeks we should have data on how much a first dose helps on stopping infections/spread. Then we'd be in a much better position to know what can be allowed and when.

Maybe we'll get a rough road map/timetable at the inevitable mid Feb "we did it" presser?

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3 hours ago, august1 said:

Given at current vaccination rates they could do the entire Glastonbury crowd in half a day.

I wonder if the festival could be a pilot scheme, they will have done the priority groups in plenty of time to open up to other groups.

A combination of out of hours vaccine slots say 6-8 am and 8-10pm for anyone in the general public to book, a Glastonbury ticket will give you a slot before June.  Needing to link your ticket to the vaccine for entrance.

3-4 days of wall to wall coverage of life being normal would be a good look for the government at home and abroad. Loads of British artists on display etc.

I think there will be an event chosen to test it out. I'd say FA cup final would be logistically easier though. 

Imagine the public outcry if a select group were vaccinated just so they could attend a non-essential event.

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9 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Imagine the public outcry if a select group were vaccinated just so they could attend a non-essential event.

Rightfully so. It would be a disgrace. It's such a mental idea I'm unsure why it's even being mentioned. Vast majority of people in the UK don't give a fuck if Glasto is on or not, it's so far down the list of priorities.

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Yes unfortunately to a lot of the population a summer of no festivals / gigs doesn’t mean much. We are a forum full of people who like to fill our schedule with gigs but a lot of people do not. A summer of no festivals to prevent any complications with the vaccine roll out would be welcomed by most, unfortunate to us.

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22 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Imagine the public outcry if a select group were vaccinated just so they could attend a non-essential event.

its not 'just' so can attend an event though is it. Once the vulnerable/at risk/public facing roles are vaccinated. There wont be much reason or rhyme to the order in which people are vaccinated and will no doubt be a postcode lottery and luck of the draw. I'm sure the government will look to reopen things for financial reasons.  

Ultimately the UK have enough doses to make decisions past the obvious ones.

There wouldn't be public outcry if events went ahead using mass rapid testing, I'm not sure why there should be for vaccines if there's ample doses available.

 

 

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Just now, august1 said:

its not 'just' so can attend an event though is it. Once the vulnerable/at risk/public facing roles are vaccinated. There wont be much reason or rhyme to the order in which people are vaccinated and will no doubt be a postcode lottery and luck of the draw. I'm sure the government will look to reopen things for financial reasons.  

I'm pretty sure that once they get through the initial priority list, a new one will be used. The JCVI has already been instructed to start drawing it up. It'll still most likely have age as a factor, and maybe line of work (so maybe teachers and other public facing staff first)

It certainly won't be a free for all and I don't think it'll be in any way fair to call it luck of the draw.

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3 minutes ago, august1 said:

its not 'just' so can attend an event though is it. Once the vulnerable/at risk/public facing roles are vaccinated. There wont be much reason or rhyme to the order in which people are vaccinated and will no doubt be a postcode lottery and luck of the draw. I'm sure the government will look to reopen things for financial reasons.  

Ultimately the UK have enough doses to make decisions past the obvious ones.

There wouldn't be public outcry if events went ahead using mass rapid testing, I'm not sure why there should be for vaccines if there's ample doses available.

 

 

The world wants vaccines and they're in short supply. Would you prioritise UK festival goers at the expense of those in less developed countries?

As for rapid flow tests? they would be commercially acquired by the festival at cost, not by the UK government.

And yes there does have to be a vaccination schedule for those below 50 because we're seeing increasing numbers patients in the category in our hospitals. 

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8 minutes ago, incident said:

I'm pretty sure that once they get through the initial priority list, a new one will be used. The JCVI has already been instructed to start drawing it up. It'll still most likely have age as a factor, and maybe line of work (so maybe teachers and other public facing staff first)

It certainly won't be a free for all and I don't think it'll be in any way fair to call it luck of the draw.

I think once the over 40/50's and public facing roles are done, I think will be opened up significantly to the rest

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