Will the 2021 festival go ahead?

[xxialac]

4 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

Who insures insurers?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinsurance

[Supernintendo Chalmers]

Ok, so that rag might have been correct about some Glastonbury-related information in the past but until this report is corroborated by an actual name from somebody credible within GFL and not just "a Glasto source" or "insider", then I'll treat it with the same level of scepticism as any rumour. Even I've got a couple predictions right over the years.

Personally, I think that they're just capitalising on the McCartney interview yesterday, knowing there'll be 200,000+ very concerned punters and vendors wanting to find out any news. 

I do think this might provoke some kind of official statement very soon though.

Btw, it would be great next time if someone could screenshot the article rather than post a link to that site.

#DontBuyTheSun

[philipsteak]

21 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

Ok, so that rag might have been correct about some Glastonbury-related information in the past but until this report is corroborated by an actual name from somebody credible within GFL and not just "a Glasto source" or "insider", then I'll treat it with the same level of scepticism as any rumour. Even I've got a couple predictions right over the years.

Personally, I think that they're just capitalising on the McCartney interview yesterday, knowing there'll be 200,000+ very concerned punters and vendors wanting to find out any news. 

I do think this might provoke some kind of official statement very soon though.

Btw, it would be great next time if someone could screenshot the article rather than post a link to that site.

#DontBuyTheSun

Agree on all points,

[eFestivals]

17 hours ago, parsonjack said:

Licence actually says.....

A1. This licence shall authorise one Glastonbury Festival of Contemporary 
Performing Arts per calendar year that allows access to public ticket holders 
on the premises for no more than 6 days.

Licence is a permanent site licence, which means any number of festivals on any date, without any way to legally enforce limits onto that. At least it wasn't, anyway - and I'm not aware of the licencing act being changed to allow limits to be set.

I was at the licence hearing where the first permanent licence was granted, and there was a big discussion about about how it allowed any number of festivals on any dates and how limits couldn't be legally enforced.

And if your wording means anything, it means the Eavii simply need to think up another name, so losing an 's' to make "Glastonbury Festival of Contemporary Performing Art" fulfils that clause, if they wanted to take the piss out of the council.

 

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It also says that an Event Management Plan has to be submitted no later than 180 days before event commencement, which would exactly next Friday.  It only states it needs to be a first draft though

I reckon all that would need to say is that they'd meet legal requirements without saying what they are and how they'd be met. No one know what legal requirements will be in place in June.

Edited December 19, 2020 by eFestivals

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

I thought Emily’s bloke booked all the acts? It’s also highly likely any ‘bookers’ are on furlough with such uncertainty right now.

[eFestivals]

2 hours ago, kalifire said:

Fuck. Just caught up with The Scum's story too (they've haven't been terrible with their Glasto scoops in the past).

Most of the booking was done around a year ago, with everyone invited back. All spending has been on hold for months, until at least January.

It's a pretty meaningless story even if it's pretty much accurate.

If it was already cancelled, Emily wouldn't be too bothered about what insurance the govt might come up with.

[eFestivals]

5 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I thought Emily’s bloke booked all the acts? It’s also highly likely any ‘bookers’ are on furlough with such uncertainty right now.

Nick (and Emily?) book the Pyramid, and perhaps Other. Just about all the other stages/areas have their own bookers.

[Paul ™]

3 hours ago, kalifire said:

GFL may have had communication about the government's intention not to bail out the festival since her interview.

The DCMS inquiry is still ongoing and no updates been issued.

[eFestivals]

8 hours ago, ivan said:

The Sun have a scoop so to speak and they will be confident their information is correct.

PMSL :lol: 

The Sun don't give a shit about whether a story is accurate. They care about copy that interests readers.

The journo who wrote it may or may not care whether they submit stuff they think is accurate, but primarily they have a number of words to submit to fill the page.

[incident]

Can I just address this "The sun usually get Glastonbury stories right" myth?

They don't. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong - and occasionally, badly wrong.

The myth seems to be founded on them getting a couple headliners well ahead of everyone else about 5-10 years ago. But they've also called headliners wrong several times since then - most notably when they exclusively announced that Foo Fighters were headlining the 2016 Festival, after everyone else was already certain that they were ruled out, and the over the course of the next several months repeated that claim multiple times right up until the official announcement confirmed that they were talking bollocks all along.

[squirrelarmy]

11 hours ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Anyone thinking of going to another festival instead? Which one?

Not for 2021 as I’m going to Glastonbury. Normally when I’m one of the unlucky ticketless I go to Sziget in Budapest. Great vibe and weather. Most importantly it’s not in the UK so the country isn’t run by a bunch of idiots. 

Edited December 19, 2020 by squirrelarmy

[eFestivals]

17 minutes ago, incident said:

Can I just address this "The sun usually get Glastonbury stories right" myth?

They don't. Sometimes they get it right, sometimes they get it wrong - and occasionally, badly wrong.

Yup.

However, I think their story this time possibly has an element of truth within it - that new bookings are on hold (because all spending is).  Added to it is that Emily is downbeat and has said in that beeb interview that it's looking doubtful.

So the sun has stretched things to say it's already cancelled.

And it's one of those stories where there's a decent likelihood they could end up being right.

And then this "The sun usually get Glastonbury stories right" myth goes around again.

I'm pretty sure that no final decision to cancel has been taken yet. That decision might be taken next month .... but I'm hoping that Glastonbury will hold out for as long as they possibly can because things are going to look a lot less grim in 3 months time.

[Ozanne]

This is a genuine question but could one of us create a Just Giving page for the festival? If everyone here gave say £3 and it could publicity online then GFL would easily raise a considerable amount for their purposes which could be better than going to the government?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

This is a genuine question but could one of us create a Just Giving page for the festival? If everyone here gave say £3 and it could publicity online then GFL would easily raise a considerable amount for their purposes which could be better than going to the government?

a better idea, perhaps, would be to set something up for ticket holders to underwrite the festival for cancellation.

"As a ticketholder, I pledge £xx to Glastonbury if it's cancelled". Something like that.

[Ozanne]

15 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

a better idea, perhaps, would be to set something up for ticket holders to underwrite the festival for cancellation.

"As a ticketholder, I pledge £xx to Glastonbury if it's cancelled". Something like that.

That’s a good idea.

Hypothetically speaking say I did create a Just Giving page and it received a small but not negligible amount of donations; there’s nothing stopping me doing that then giving that to the festival is there? There’s so much goodwill to GFL I was just wondering if this was something that could ever gain traction.

[incident]

Just now, Ozanne said:

That’s a good idea.

Hypothetically speaking say I did create a Just Giving page and it received a small but not negligible amount of donations; there’s nothing stopping me doing that then giving that to the festival is there? There’s so much goodwill to GFL I was just wondering if this was something that could ever gain traction.

To be blunt, without prior approval/involvement of GFL, then you'd be opening yourself up to all kinds of accusations and problems (even if they're not true).

And I doubt you'd get that prior approval - if they need to raise cash then they know that they could do it themselves in multiple ways.

[jannybruck]

Just a quick note for anyone who sees a The Sun story linked and wants to read it (because that Glastonbury story's probably had 50 clicks from this thread alone), you can run the URL through http://www.archive.is and it'll recover a cached version of it, so you don't give them any traffic.

I don't need to remind people here, but The Sun are hands-down the worst newspaper in the country, with journalists who've lied and put out horrific stories on people, who regularly publish 'news' that is based on flimsy sources purely because they exist to get people onto their site and buying the paper. Don't give it any more credence than you would something you saw "from a source" on Twitter.

Edited December 19, 2020 by jannybruck

[Harry49]

12 hours ago, Chrisp1986 said:

Anyone thinking of going to another festival instead? Which one?

I put down a deposit for End of the Road this week as It is looking like an end of summer festival is best case at the moment.

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, incident said:

To be blunt, without prior approval/involvement of GFL, then you'd be opening yourself up to all kinds of accusations and problems (even if they're not true).

And I doubt you'd get that prior approval - if they need to raise cash then they know that they could do it themselves in multiple ways.

I wasn’t aware of that, sorry for my dumbness here. If it was done off people’s own backs would they be likely to turn the donation down and request it go elsewhere?

[eFestivals]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

Hypothetically speaking say I did create a Just Giving page and it received a small but not negligible amount of donations; there’s nothing stopping me doing that then giving that to the festival is there? There’s so much goodwill to GFL I was just wondering if this was something that could ever gain traction.

I guess there's nothing stopping you.

I'm not sure how Glastonbury would feel about it tho. While I 100% get where you're coming from with it, it's a little odd to treat someone as a charity case over costs they've not yet run up and can avoid running up (if they cancel early), and it being done with them in the dark about it.

I'd say that if you wanted to pursue this idea it would be polite to talk to them about it. Perhaps approach them and ask them how they might feel about a ticketholder-led drive for the ticketholders to underwrite cancellation?

[Ozanne]

2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

I guess there's nothing stopping you.

I'm not sure how Glastonbury would feel about it tho. While I 100% get where you're coming from with it, it's a little odd to treat someone as a charity case over costs they've not yet run up and can avoid running up (if they cancel early), and it being done with them in the dark about it.

I'd say that if you wanted to pursue this idea it would be polite to talk to them about it. Perhaps approach them and ask them how they might feel about a ticketholder-led drive for the ticketholders to underwrite cancellation?

Fair play mate, thanks!

[incident]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

I wasn’t aware of that, sorry for my dumbness here. If it was done off people’s own backs would they be likely to turn the donation down and request it go elsewhere?

No idea what they'd do with the money if offered (and I guess that'd depend on their own situation which we can only guess at) - but I was thinking more along the lines of -

- You set up the page, and post it on here.
- The media (or at least Somerset Live) see it.
- They ask GFL press office about it and are told something like "we don't know anything about it" or "it's not sanctioned by us".
- They run that aspect of the story (and they would), meaning you get accused of all kinds of shit.

Overall I think it's more hassle / risk (specifically to the person doing it) than it's worth. The festival do have many routes to generate cash if they need to, and so far have only done so in a limited way to raise money for the joint charities.

[Barney McGrew]

Re. fundraising, GFL are a business with an incredibly successful product, they'll manage!

The charities they support on the other hand...

[Deaf Nobby Burton]

6 minutes ago, Barney McGrew said:

Re. fundraising, GFL are a business with an incredibly successful product, they'll manage!

The charities they support on the other hand...

They’ll manage if they cancel now or soon and don’t go ahead, the fund raising people are talking about is to underwrite the cost of going ahead and then needing to cancel.

[fatyeti24]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Not for 2021 as I’m going to Glastonbury. Normally when I’m one of the unlucky ticketless I go to Sziget in Budapest. Great vibe and weather. Most importantly it’s not in the UK so the country isn’t run by a bunch of idiots. 

Erm..

Hungary's leadership is about as bad as it gets in Europe right now, certainly within the EU.  The UK, thankfully, is nowhere near the awfulness they have over there.