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  1. 1. Do you think Glastonbury 2021 will go ahead? 2.0

    • Yes, and it will be business as usual.
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    • Yes, with some minor requirements (hygiene warnings, extra hand gel).
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    • Yes, with some moderate/major requirements (face masks, distancing, temperature checks, testing).
      48
    • No, Coronavirus will still be too prevalent and mass gatherings will still be banned.
      121
    • No, Coronavirus will still be too much of a risk and the organisers will choose not to go ahead.
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    • No, for another reason.
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    • I can't even guess.
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4 hours ago, Copperface said:

Apart from travel corridors, advice on essential travel only, mandatory quarantines, and regular advice not to use public transport unless essential you mean?

internally I was meaning.

Although it's also encouraged people to travel internationally, which if it hadn't none of those would be necessary. ;) 

 

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13 minutes ago, Copperface said:

What type of insurance?

Bit vague from that..

Presumably the Event Cancellation Insurance that currently they're either unable to get, specifically excludes COVID related causes, or will have multiplied in price since last year.

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4 hours ago, Copperface said:

Leaving the travel aspect aside, the key is that both Glastonbury and Cheltenham are events of national importance and massive scale, and as such the relevant LA will not be making that call on their own under the Regulations.

and yet when Glastonbury's whole existence was under threat? The relevant LA made the call.

It'll be left to the relevant LA. The govt might only get involved if they think the LA has made the wrong call - but even then, not definitely.

At the mo the govts attitude to all events is "you can go ahead as long as you meet the guidance", and when LAs have asked the govt for clarity they've thrown it back to the LA and said "your decision", exactly as outlined in the guidance.

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2 hours ago, Superscally said:

You are aware that it was a student gathering, right? Students from all around the country and the world. Even still, I'm not calling students the root of all evil. 

As I said, it happened but it was co-incidental at the time hence being tongue and cheek. Hell god knows how many have gathered in London for BLM protests and Boris didn't even take strict actions there. I mean of course, if he shuts down London then that's his social life buggered and he can't be doing that.

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40 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

and yet when Glastonbury's whole existence was under threat? The relevant LA made the call.

At the mo the govts attitude to all events is "you can go ahead as long as you meet the guidance", and when LAs have asked the govt for clarity they've thrown it back to the LA and said "your decision", exactly as outlined in the guidance.

Not sure what you are referring to re the first point about the festival's existence being under threat?  Do you mean this year re Covid19? If not then its almost irrelevant as any decision would be made on a public health basis. As it is, the festival made their own advance decision on advice of what was coming down the road. Did the LA make that call in March?

Still haven't seen this guidance you refer to but seems to reflect the struggle we are currently seeing in Manchester between the LA and Mayor, and the Government. Ultimately, the Government can overrule the LAs. 

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49 minutes ago, incident said:

Presumably the Event Cancellation Insurance that currently they're either unable to get, specifically excludes COVID related causes, or will have multiplied in price since last year.

Apparently they don't need it:

 

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3 hours ago, Barney McGrew said:

Assuming a level of normal festival activities... I guess there could be an "attend at your own" risk re. covid but regardless of punters, is it remotely possible that the site/event could be made "covid secure" for the 1000's of workers?

 

We all attend at our own risk each year anyway with GF being in compliance with all the regulations incumbent upon it. So one of the things organisers will consider is can they comply with prevailing covid control measures. And for instance, if social distancing is still necessary in March, April, May & June, GF would have to comply with it for everyone involved, from site builders & traders to artists & fans. A huge and probably insurmountable headache.

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3 hours ago, The Nal said:

Course. But Im referring to the people bringing the virus in. UK gov/Glasto have no control over the health of people arriving and spending 5 days with 250,000 people who will all then scatter off to every corner of the country and the world on Monday. Of all events on the planet, Glasto has the potential to be one of the biggest super spreaders. 

Basically if there isn't a cure/vaccine/very effective treatment in the next few weeks (which there won't be) its not happening. 

People coming in would still be subject to the 14 day quarantine period though. They'd need an address to stay at for the 2 weeks they're there and risk a £10000 fine if they get caught breaking it.

Is the risk of a 10k fine worth it to attend Glastonbury?

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14 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

People coming in would still be subject to the 14 day quarantine period though. They'd need an address to stay at for the 2 weeks they're there and risk a £10000 fine if they get caught breaking it.

Is the risk of a 10k fine worth it to attend Glastonbury?

Yes, cause fuck you if you think Im gonna believe theyll enforce their rules at the rate the clown show uk gov is going. Unless they place tracking bracelets on everyone they wont be able to truly find anyone. Facial recognition on cctv isnt gonna find you if you have a mask on the whole time.  You can buy a burner mobile and leave your actual one turned off. 

 

And considering that the 14 day rules can change anyway depending on the country of origin then it’s moot. If the UK actually does come through to provide testing when you enter from a country they deem as high risk then that can eliminate the 14 day if you test negative anyway. What if a vaccine is available in the next few months and then the UK rules that if you provide evidence of receiving the vaccine you can enter the country without quarantine also? Lots of variables to consider.
 

But Glasto will have to entertain the idea that a percentage of international attendees cannot comply and they might just roll over their tickets to 2022. Its a huge investment as it is and to deny them because of restrictions they do not control themselves is ludicrous. So we’ll see whenever the time comes as to what happens. I just hope they post a line up and let people decide.

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1 hour ago, Copperface said:

Did the LA make that call in March?

Festivals were banned by the lockdown, until decisions were shifted to LAs when the guidance was issued, and further underlined when one or more LAs asked govt for clarity on who's call it was.

1 hour ago, Copperface said:

Still haven't seen this guidance you refer to

The official guidance issued by Department of culture, etc, back in July or August.

 

1 hour ago, Copperface said:

 

but seems to reflect the struggle we are currently seeing in Manchester between the LA and Mayor, and the Government. Ultimately, the Government can overrule the LAs. 

Yep, the govt can over-rule.

But as things are at the moment, they've issued the guidance and told LAs to make the decisions about specific events.

And as we can see with Manc at the moment, the govt wants these decisions to be made locally and not by govt.

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36 minutes ago, Leyrulion said:

People coming in would still be subject to the 14 day quarantine period though. They'd need an address to stay at for the 2 weeks they're there and risk a £10000 fine if they get caught breaking it.

Is the risk of a 10k fine worth it to attend Glastonbury?

Yep. 

You could easily get the Vid traveling from place of quarantine to the festival. 

John Cooper Clarke just announced his next gig. 2022. He knows.. 

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1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Festivals were banned by the lockdown, until decisions were shifted to LAs when the guidance was issued, and further underlined when one or more LAs asked govt for clarity on who's call it was.

The official guidance issued by Department of culture, etc, back in July or August.

 

Yep, the govt can over-rule.

But as things are at the moment, they've issued the guidance and told LAs to make the decisions about specific events.

And as we can see with Manc at the moment, the govt wants these decisions to be made locally and not by govt.

Guidance updated two days ago here:

New Covid-19 planning guidance published for UK festivals by the Events Industry Forum:

 13 October 2020

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/images/attachments/music-festivals-covid-19-supplementary-guidance-v1-13th-october-2020.pdf

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/index.php/the-purple-guide/information-news-updates/121-new-covid-19-planning-guidance-published-for-uk-festivals

and finally guidance published by Hastings BC which is a bit more succinct and less dense.

https://www.hastings.gov.uk/event-planning/covid-19/

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3 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

People coming in would still be subject to the 14 day quarantine period though. They'd need an address to stay at for the 2 weeks they're there and risk a £10000 fine if they get caught breaking it.

Is the risk of a 10k fine worth it to attend Glastonbury?

Uhhh.... Absolutely not! (eyes darting shiftily from side to side)

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5 hours ago, thewayiam said:

As I said, it happened but it was co-incidental at the time hence being tongue and cheek. Hell god knows how many have gathered in London for BLM protests and Boris didn't even take strict actions there. I mean of course, if he shuts down London then that's his social life buggered and he can't be doing that.

We're an easy target for number 10...

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35 minutes ago, Superscally said:

We're an easy target for number 10...

Well the number of cases etc being at it's highest there speaks for itself and it was like that a little while ago. You did after have a shit load of people in May totally ignore rules on the league win and the royal liver building was attacked in numbers. As I said I don't agree with the London antics either but you also can't have those antics and the city get away with it and they haven't.

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10 hours ago, Copperface said:

Guidance updated two days ago here:

New Covid-19 planning guidance published for UK festivals by the Events Industry Forum:

 13 October 2020

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/images/attachments/music-festivals-covid-19-supplementary-guidance-v1-13th-october-2020.pdf

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/index.php/the-purple-guide/information-news-updates/121-new-covid-19-planning-guidance-published-for-uk-festivals

and finally guidance published by Hastings BC which is a bit more succinct and less dense.

https://www.hastings.gov.uk/event-planning/covid-19/

(the last link) which makes no reference to govt having a role apart from the standard on-going national restrictions.

And which does make multiple mentions of how the LA needs to be satisfied.

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1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

(the last link) which makes no reference to govt having a role apart from the standard on-going national restrictions.

And which does make multiple mentions of how the LA needs to be satisfied.

Bit irrelevant as that is guidance on a local scale.

It still remains that the relevant minister can restrict or ban certain events or types of events simply by issuing a direction. That won't change in March and the Regs will continue. 

"and yet when Glastonbury's whole existence was under threat? The relevant LA made the call." - still haven't clarified what this bit was about. I thought Glastonbury took the decision themselves after consultation and advice.

This has gone off track a fair bit - I think the main point is that the government will probably leave a decision to a local authority in most cases (like the recent cancelled 'Fairy Festival; in the New Forest - cancelled by the LA) as its's not currently contentious in the current circumstances and not in the same league in terms of size and reputation as Glastonbury.

I think the Government would do the same in Glastonbury's case, but only if it agreed with the ultimate decision. It would be a PR disaster if they considered it too risky to go ahead but abrogated the responsibility to the LA who decided to allow it, especially if there was a bit of negative opinion and publicity about. Like other really large events, it is a national event which has implications which stretch far beyond the geographical reach of the LA.

It is likely anyway that any decisions would be dictated by the conditions prevailing at the time, or anticipated, so all gatherings etc may be banned, or size restrictions put in place etc so the LA might not have to be put in that position. Irrespective of all that, the ultimate power lies with the minister, not the LA. 

 

 

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12 hours ago, Copperface said:

Guidance updated two days ago here:

New Covid-19 planning guidance published for UK festivals by the Events Industry Forum:

 13 October 2020

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/images/attachments/music-festivals-covid-19-supplementary-guidance-v1-13th-october-2020.pdf

https://www.thepurpleguide.co.uk/index.php/the-purple-guide/information-news-updates/121-new-covid-19-planning-guidance-published-for-uk-festivals

and finally guidance published by Hastings BC which is a bit more succinct and less dense.

https://www.hastings.gov.uk/event-planning/covid-19/

I suppose the guidance sets out a framework for organisers but all it amounts to is formalizing a lot of what is already known. Which is organisers must demonstrate they meet all prevailing covid control measures whatever they be and whenever implemented for an event to go head. In recognising very early on that prevailing control measures (e.g. social distancing) will impact on event economic viability it's a simple means for government to say "nah, it's not happening mate"

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