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  1. 1. Do you think Glastonbury 2021 will go ahead?

    • Yes, and it will be business as usual.
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    • Yes, with some minor requirements (hygiene warnings, extra hand gel).
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    • Yes, with some moderate/major requirements (face masks, distancing, temperature checks).
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    • No, Coronavirus will still be too prevalent and mass gatherings will still be banned.
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    • No, Coronavirus will still be too much of a risk and the organisers will choose not to go ahead.
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    • No, for another reason.
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    • I can't even guess.
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1 hour ago, incident said:

Yep, there'd be dozens of ways of doing it if they needed to.

£150 buys you first refusal of tickets for the next 5 festivals. Capped at 30,000 people. That's 4.5 million quid - even after you take off VAT and any other taxes it'd easily outweigh the losses they incurred in the last fallow year and probably cover most of the additional cancellation costs.

I'd be all over that, and I suspect a lot of others would as well. It'd be oversubscribed for sure.

They could charge more than that and it will sell, but it is something they've actively avoided in the pass (exclusively, commercialisation etc.). Times change though. 

I don't think the festival will be in jeopardy long term, even if there is no '21 there is enough support to keep if going. It's an institution. 

I fear for some of the smaller festivals, especially independent ones (e.g. Boomtown). 

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58 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said:

They could charge more than that and it will sell, but it is something they've actively avoided in the pass (commercialisation etc.). Times change though. 

I don't think the festival will be in jeopardy long term, even if there is no '21 there is enough support to keep if going. It's an institution. 

I fear for some of the smaller festivals, especially independent ones (e.g. Boomtown). 

Of all the options a bond paid for by fans of the festival is one of the least commercial options. 

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17 minutes ago, dotdash79 said:

Of all the options a bond paid for by fans of the festival is one of the least commercial options. 

I agree that isn't commercial - what I meant was that there has been times in the past when 'loyalty' schemes etc. have been discussed and discouraged. There is a thread on here around every ticket day about it. I think it was @Neil who (amongst others) has said that the Eavis' don't want Glastonbury to become some sort of exclusive club - there is an argument it would be if people were given the option to pay a premium to essentially pre-book tickets for 'x' amount of years. If they did, undoubtedly people (including me) would snap their hands off for it. I'm sure people would pay for anything that would even just increase their chances of getting tickets.

Commercialisation was another option  - but didn't phrase it well (sorry!) and obviously don't think they'd go down that route. There is an active voice against it.

Ultimately, as I said, I think Glastonbury will be safe in the long term. There are too many supporters (fans and musicians) who wouldn't let it die. Other festivals won't be so lucky if this was to continue. 

 

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5 hours ago, TownesMR said:

I haven't been active on this site for a while, so maybe someone can talk some sense into me.

This year would've been my first Glasto, coming all the way from Canada. I was crazy excited for it and it was a huge dream of mine to go. Unfortunately, I don't think there will ever be a Glastonbury Festival ever again. I see 2021 as highly unlikely, and from that one article I read, it sounds like if there's no 2021 festival, that's the end of Glastonbury.

Does anyone else interpret the article differently?

 I think Michael intended that particular quote to be headline grabbing.  The article also discusses how festivals are trying to get  the licensing fees back and also how the whole industry needs help.  Perhaps if some in government think oh no Glasto might go broke, we need to assist that industry, then help might be more forthcoming (also well aware of the shitstorm of a government we're dealing with right now) so that may be unlikely.

However I think it draws attention to the whole industry needing help.  Michael also has previous with the "Variety Bazaar" shenanigans which was a ploy to stop local farmers being so greedy I believe.  

Glasto may/may not go ahead next year, but in the long term I am 100% it will continue in some form.  The love the festival has from musicians/punters/various charities, it could easily crowdsource funds,  or as other posters have said offer exclusive access, or at the very worst have some sponsorship aspect to it for the next 5 years to recoup the losses and get it back to where it is/was.

On another note, I almost hate this thread as much as the "coronavirus, should we be worried", and it's only JULY

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1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Any idea that means more wealthy people can have more access to the festival has surely got to be a non starter.

Ordinarily yes, but would you rather have the return of the Smirnoff Ice tent or something worse, including no festival at all? If we can't get the virus under control then there may be no good option.

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56 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Any idea that means more wealthy people can have more access to the festival has surely got to be a non starter.

There already is plenty of exactly that going on, though. It's just that it doesn't get publicised as much as the regular ticket sale.

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12 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Actually, I'm not sure. It might be alright. Be expensive though wouldn't it?

Can't see how they'd make money with a reduced capacity and extra costs of those platforms etc.

Or, as you said, it's prohibitively expensive to compensate.

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5 hours ago, TownesMR said:

I haven't been active on this site for a while, so maybe someone can talk some sense into me.

This year would've been my first Glasto, coming all the way from Canada. I was crazy excited for it and it was a huge dream of mine to go. Unfortunately, I don't think there will ever be a Glastonbury Festival ever again. I see 2021 as highly unlikely, and from that one article I read, it sounds like if there's no 2021 festival, that's the end of Glastonbury.

Does anyone else interpret the article differently?

I’m very positive the festival will go ahead next year, but it may not be the same as it normally is so depending how it pans out you may want to leave it until the next year. 
 

I expect indoor venues will become outside stages or won’t appear. John Peel would become an outside stage, NYC Downlow might not be there, for example.

15 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Nah, I’ll wait! 

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4 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Can't see how they'd make money with a reduced capacity and extra costs of those platforms etc.

Or, as you said, it's prohibitively expensive to compensate.

Given the circumstances, I reckon I might do it. Drop £100 quid for one evening in a field on a platform to see just one band. But surely it would be more than that massive price?

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3 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Given the circumstances, I reckon I might do it. Drop £100 quid for one evening in a field on a platform to see just one band. But surely it would be more than that massive price?

No idea. But I've paid more than £100 on a regular basis for tickets to places like the O2, so that's not abnormal. £200-300 might be.

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7 hours ago, squirrelarmy said:

Please don’t say that. We can’t depend on the average Brit being sensible. 

Unfortunately it's true. As is your comment about the average Brit. There are too many people around who think corona won't affect them but those who've been in the thick of it know better.

At the height of the lockdown Mrs Lycra got home at 9pm: she was up at 5:30 and back on duty 7pm the following day. That particular day when she arrived home at 9 she had nursed and watched a 20 something and a 50yo, both with no previous health conditions, die of Covid 19. Her unit also lost 3 others that day. The same evening the neighbours over the back in the big house chose to hold yet another bbq party. Babies, children, teenagers & older adults, they were all there. About 20 of them. At 10:30, the music & general noise was still on-going, my own Superwoman snapped and a new Marvel hero was born; all 5'6" and 9 stone of her. Enraged she went round and hammered the door down. Fearing the police 90% of the party legged it over the fence in the back garden into fields. The party ended abruptly. Why am I telling you this?

Those who have seen the death. Those who have witnessed the horrible gasping fight to live. Those who have cried at the deaths of others. They all have their breaking point and need your help to stop them having to live through the last 4 months again. They want to live too.

No apologies!

 

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43 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Unfortunately it's true. As is your comment about the average Brit. There are too many people around who think corona won't affect them but those who've been in the thick of it know better.

At the height of the lockdown Mrs Lycra got home at 9pm: she was up at 5:30 and back on duty 7pm the following day. That particular day when she arrived home at 9 she had nursed and watched a 20 something and a 50yo, both with no previous health conditions, die of Covid 19. Her unit also lost 3 others that day. The same evening the neighbours over the back in the big house chose to hold yet another bbq party. Babies, children, teenagers & older adults, they were all there. About 20 of them. At 10:30, the music & general noise was still on-going, my own Superwoman snapped and a new Marvel hero was born; all 5'6" and 9 stone of her. Enraged she went round and hammered the door down. Fearing the police 90% of the party legged it over the fence in the back garden into fields. The party ended abruptly. Why am I telling you this?

Those who have seen the death. Those who have witnessed the horrible gasping fight to live. Those who have cried at the deaths of others. They all have their breaking point and need your help to stop them having to live through the last 4 months again. They want to live too.

No apologies!

 

I’d rather stay in lockdown longer than have a repeat of this! Mrs Lycra we need to listen to you and the reality of what this is! There is going to be a new normal! Because there has to be for everyone to keep living there lives! If we want Glastonbury back next year we have to do what it takes to make it safe!! 

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I voted yes, with adjustments.

If it doesn't go ahead at all, I think we can wave goodbye to any sort of life we knew before.

If this virus is still this violent in a year, we're looking at probably over 100k people in this country dead, as well as businesses of all sorts going bust, not just festivals. The only businesses still alive will be the supermarkets and Amazon.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world without the arts.

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Also, regarding the temperature checks, I went to Bicester Village this week (Both pairs of my jeans broke and it's local to me. No hate, thanks), and they were doing temperature checks at the entrance.

It's this massive camera that scans your "core temperature" as you go in. There's a security guard watching a laptop that I assume has your temperature on it. It doesn't slow you down at all. I was wearing a jacket, after a 20 min car journey and felt flushed so was sure I'd get turned away. I was waved in easily.

I did see a couple of women turn away and leave as I made my way to the entrance, but I'm unsure whether that was down to their temperature or they didn't want to be scanned 

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6 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Any idea that means more wealthy people can have more access to the festival has surely got to be a non starter.

I mean at £265 ticket, probably at least £500 all in for a Glastonbury weekend I'd say the festival is already restricted to relatively wealthy people. 

Average wage without tax is about £500, if you can afford to spend a weeks pay on a festival you're wealthy.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/june2020

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5 hours ago, K2SO said:

If it doesn't go ahead at all, I think we can wave goodbye to any sort of life we knew before.

I'm always keeping positive but I'm inclined to agree, if we're not back to a form of normality this time next year then it's going to be a massively different world and as you say, everything simply won't function if we have to have constant lock downs - saying that though, things do seem to be heading in the right direction so I think with a few changes and adjustments most events will be able to carry on next year 

5 hours ago, K2SO said:

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world without the arts.

Im worried about it too but supposedly they're making a big announcement for it next week as part of the budget so hopefully something can be saved from it, I couldn't even consider a world without the arts, especially music and comedy which I regularly attended gigs for 

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5 hours ago, K2SO said:

I voted yes, with adjustments.

If it doesn't go ahead at all, I think we can wave goodbye to any sort of life we knew before.

If this virus is still this violent in a year, we're looking at probably over 100k people in this country dead, as well as businesses of all sorts going bust, not just festivals. The only businesses still alive will be the supermarkets and Amazon.

I don't know about you guys, but I don't want to live in a world without the arts.

Glastonbury could not go ahead next year but without  having reached 100k deaths. Cases and deaths are extremely low right now, but that’s because of social distancing and because things like Glastonbury aren’t happening. We could stay in this state until there is a vaccine and It’s clear that what we’re doing now can help us keep on top of the virus.

This might sound a callous thing to say but it’s not meant to be, but if this time next year we’ve had 100k deaths I’d say that it’s more likely Glastonbury will actually go ahead, because with that many deaths the Government will have had to have abandoned any restrictions.

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5 hours ago, Leyrulion said:

I mean at £265 ticket, probably at least £500 all in for a Glastonbury weekend I'd say the festival is already restricted to relatively wealthy people. 

Average wage without tax is about £500, if you can afford to spend a weeks pay on a festival you're wealthy.

https://www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/employmentandemployeetypes/bulletins/averageweeklyearningsingreatbritain/june2020

Yeah agreed completely. It's on the cusp of justifying the affordability to me right now and I have a decent job. That's kind of why I'd hate it to go even more in that direction.

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Couldn’t see them doing an advance ticket thing and I don’t think they should. As much as I want to go every year they have the right idea in wanting it to be fair and open to everyone.

What would be something perhaps more palatable would along the lines of what a lot of other festivals have done to raise cash, which is sell in-festival benefits. Back stage access, meeting artists, unlimited bar tabs etc. It’s still a bit w*nky but a lot better than selling off future tickets.

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3 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Couldn’t see them doing an advance ticket thing and I don’t think they should. As much as I want to go every year they have the right idea in wanting it to be fair and open to everyone.

What would be something perhaps more palatable would along the lines of what a lot of other festivals have done to raise cash, which is sell in-festival benefits. Back stage access, meeting artists, unlimited bar tabs etc. It’s still a bit w*nky but a lot better than selling off future tickets.

I'd be much happier to make a donation than buy some sort of access to tickets. Doesn't sit right with me at all.

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