gigpusher Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said: BLM direct from their website for fundraising - https://www.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund "We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world." Dismantle imperialism? What imperialism? Captalism? You mean the system that's far better than any other. Even Denmark had to correct everyone that they were "socialist". White-supremacy? Seriously? In the UK, White-supremacy is the biggest threat to anyone in the UK? If these people were "brave" they would go after places that actually have modern day slavery. Saudi Arabia, China, most of the Middle East actually. They're just communists using racism as a stick to beat people with. And they're so OPEN about it. They literally telling people that's what they're doing, and everyone just tweets out the hashtag and keep their heads in the sand. Maybe they want to dismantle capitalism and imperialism because modern day slavery may exist in the countries you mention but it is for the benefit of mostly the western world who buy their cheap electronics and clothes without thinking for a moment of the human cost of it. Also movements these days are not a small group of people with a defined set of principles. They can be plenty more free thinking individuals. I consider myself to be a part of the Black Lives Matter movement because I am actively anti-racist whilst acknowledging my own racism. I am actively trying to improve every day and I will not stay silent about racism but I don't have any card. I'm not a member of any group or political party. I don't have to agree with every aim of an organisation to agree with the basic aims in principle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said: If you must and keep up the stellar argumentation (with STILL NO EVIDENCE to support systemic racism OR police brutality It's funny how those who scream no evidence never want to look at the evidence. https://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20110221083401/http://rds.homeoffice.gov.uk/rds/pdfs/hors185.pdf On 6/16/2020 at 12:43 PM, Neil said: It's within this publication if you can be bothered to track down the full report. https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://eprints.lse.ac.uk/87797/&ved=2ahUKEwir_9OSnYbqAhVCZMAKHQS7B-o4ChAWMAF6BAgIEAE&usg=AOvVaw2BnO9j3OhZqJRxgUJC7dyX And yes, I realise it's now 20+ years old but if things are as simple as you say today then surely they were back then too. I believe that the Lammy report highlights many of the same things. Edited June 19, 2020 by Neil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, MEGATRONICMEATWAGON said: with STILL NO EVIDENCE to support systemic racism Just as a small start https://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Leach Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, fred quimby said: Does seem an odd aim Not in general, that is up to folk, but for this. Not really, everyone from MLK to the Panthers agreed capitalism was fundamentally incompatible with equality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Leach Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I mean, never forget: Mandela was a Marxist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 But those guys were mere children? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Just now, Winslow Leach said: Not really, everyone from MLK to the Panthers agreed capitalism was fundamentally incompatible with equality. Oh aye, totally agree. Massively unfair system that needs to be changed was just saying I am not sure crowd funding with that stated aim is the way to go. I see Rick from the Young ones. A worthy aim certainly and I guess you have to do something but as I say a crowd funding page maybe not But who knows it maybe that the revolution will be crowd funded Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 I preferred that Jimbarkanoodle chap as our resident shitposter, wish he'd come back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said: I preferred that Jimbarkanoodle chap as our resident shitposter, wish he'd come back he has with a name change ... hes now smashed heron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winslow Leach Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Gilgamesh69 said: I preferred that Jimbarkanoodle chap as our resident shitposter, wish he'd come back Bring back the social groups guy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Winslow Leach said: Bring back the social groups guy Fuck yeah, his chat was way better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Unfair on the fudge guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, CaledonianGonzo said: Unfair on the fudge guy. Would take fudge guy a million times over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Winslow Leach said: Bring back the social groups guy Oh what sorta stuff did he say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoo Music Girl Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 10 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said: Oh what sorta stuff did he say? He basically spammed the entire forum with threads about how there were no social groups for people over 40. All in caps. Was quite the weekend. Wonder if I can find one... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagelaureate Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said: He basically spammed the entire forum with threads about how there were no social groups for people over 40. All in caps. Was quite the weekend. Wonder if I can find one... I wonder if he ever successfully passed on his fudge... Do you remember the memory guy and his team too? @Gilgamesh69 Edited June 19, 2020 by vintagelaureate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 59 minutes ago, vintagelaureate said: I wonder if he ever successfully passed on his fudge... Do you remember the memory guy and his team too? @Gilgamesh69 "I have to say though however bad you think things are going to be, and I don't know your circumstances, this is not Germany in 1939. " From Fudge to Nazi Germany in just 4 posts. That's wild 😂😂😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaledonianGonzo Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 "Antifascists are the real fascists. Have some fudge." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vintagelaureate Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 Without derailing this thread @Gilgamesh69, I'm sure he kept popping up in various threads offering fudge for ages afterwards too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilgamesh69 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 1 minute ago, vintagelaureate said: Without derailing this thread @Gilgamesh69, I'm sure he kept popping up in various threads offering fudge for ages afterwards too. Sounds like a nice guy at least. Maybe next year our wishes will all come true and we'll get to eat his fudge while watching Jason Derulo with @Ridin' Solo This thread could do with being derailed anyway or else we'll soon be reading complaints that there isn't a White History Month 😶 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazyfool01 Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, Gilgamesh69 said: "I have to say though however bad you think things are going to be, and I don't know your circumstances, this is not Germany in 1939. " From Fudge to Nazi Germany in just 4 posts. That's wild 😂😂😂 All I did was say I didnt want any .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guypjfreak Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 12 hours ago, fred quimby said: I agree, and it is a case like everything at present it is good to talk and explain and then people can see why. It is what we all have to do, less fear of saying things and then we can learn or teach,.and move in one direction However, he is the Foreign secretary, deputy Prime minister, a diplomat of sorts. Let's face it he should have know better to get an understanding before opening his big mouth No.. Its his view imo and he's allowed to have it.. He DID say he supports the BLM.. Just heard the news that they are considering changing the rugby song now..... But you'll all still drink greene King drinks and put your money in Lloyd's.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred quimby Posted June 19, 2020 Report Share Posted June 19, 2020 35 minutes ago, guypjfreak said: No.. Its his view imo and he's allowed to have it.. He DID say he supports the BLM.. He is allowed his view, as I am to challenge that view. Just think someone in his position should be switched on to what is around him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan1984 Posted June 20, 2020 Report Share Posted June 20, 2020 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-berkshire-53123975 Apparently happened a couple of hours after the protests but sounds horrific. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bamber Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) This is not new. The first slave ship landed in Jamestown, Virginia, USA in 1619, think about that. 400 years, and the same philosophy. Edited June 21, 2020 by bamber Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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