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24 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

It doesn't give any sort of timeframe, but from my reading of it they'll be the rules until the virus is gone or there's a vaccine.

If that’s true and assuming there’s no vaccine and virus isn’t gone by Glastonbury 2021 do you think Glastonbury happens trying to follow these rules or it doesn’t happen for the 2nd year in a row? 

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Definitely- I am young and healthy so covid doesnt really matter much to me. I would probably do my own test a couple of days before, then if it was positive maybe wear a mask all weekend and sleep in

Would it be feasible just to simply say, if you are over about 50 and/or have underlying health issues, just stay the fuck at home and dont go to festivals until we have a vaccine in place? Its not th

Quite. Given that the deposits will be ~18 months old by the time any decision comes, and a precedent of sorts was set the first time, there'd be a far stronger case to roll peoples deposits over

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1 minute ago, assorted said:

If that’s true and assuming there’s no vaccine and virus isn’t gone by Glastonbury 2021 do you think Glastonbury happens trying to follow these rules or it doesn’t happen for the 2nd year in a row? 

I don't see how it could follow these rules :(

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14 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

"Discouraging or avoiding gatherings such as performances or screenings that may encourage audience behaviours that increase transmission risk, for example crowding, clustering or physical contact outside of household groups or support bubbles."

Hmmm... 

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10 hours ago, eFestivals said:

It doesn't give any sort of timeframe, but from my reading of it they'll be the rules until the virus is gone or there's a vaccine.

Here in california the guidelines state if a “treatment” is available ( vaccine included )  then events can carry on in their normal capacity whenever the state gives the go ahead for that stage of reopening. I would assume its similar in the uk via the document. You couldnt be that hardline on requiring a vaccine because not every person can get it right away. You open a whole other can of worms with ticket holders that arent vaccinated and would not be allowed to attend a gig or festival and would need refunds because of that requirement. See Tickets and Live Nation would then have to get their armies of lawyers to amend their terms of service yet again and we just saw the mess that caused, especially in the resale market. 
 

If we’re lucky theres a vaccine by the beginning of the year and then its a matter of what festivals and organizers will require of attendees when that comes about. Short term if there was something that could abate symptoms and such we could see things get closer to how they were. Glasto might just get in under the wire on this though from the look of it. Im sure plenty of people will still wear a mask though. Then you pray its a cool weekend and not a scorcher.

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1 hour ago, Suprefan said:

Here in california the guidelines state if a “treatment” is available ( vaccine included )  then events can carry on in their normal capacity whenever the state gives the go ahead for that stage of reopening. I would assume its similar in the uk via the document.

the doc from yesterday doesn't go that far with what it lays out, but I reckon it can be put together with the 5 levels thing the govt released months ago, where (from what i remember) measures stay in place until the crisis is over in one way or another -  which would include a treatment I guess.

The point is: it's the new normal, but a normal which changes everything.

I've little interest in live music under these conditions. :( 

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We just need to pray for this vaccine then. From what I’ve read the oxford one won’t exactly be a magic wand, but should hopefully be enough for the government to shift the guidance.

Unrelated really, but I went to the pub yesterday with some mates, 7 of us in total from five different households. We all sat together. No doubt this is happening nationally in most pubs, so the two household thing is certainly not being observed at the moment. Hard to see it being observed at any sort of festival that tries to go ahead.

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3 hours ago, Suprefan said:

If we’re lucky theres a vaccine by the beginning of the year and then its a matter of what festivals and organizers will require of attendees when that comes about. Short term if there was something that could abate symptoms and such we could see things get closer to how they were. Glasto might just get in under the wire on this though from the look of it. Im sure plenty of people will still wear a mask though. Then you pray its a cool weekend and not a scorcher.

At Glastonbury?  I can't see that.  People are barely wearing them to the supermarket.

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45 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

We just need to pray for this vaccine then. From what I’ve read the oxford one won’t exactly be a magic wand, but should hopefully be enough for the government to shift the guidance.

Unrelated really, but I went to the pub yesterday with some mates, 7 of us in total from five different households. We all sat together. No doubt this is happening nationally in most pubs, so the two household thing is certainly not being observed at the moment. Hard to see it being observed at any sort of festival that tries to go ahead.

Related to this, I was thinking that most events  will likely just pay lip service to the new rules and then not bother to enforce them. I've not been to any pubs or shops apart from Tesco and the local hardware shop, but anecdotally very few places are sticking rigidly to any guidance. It is after all just guidance. I'm not saying that's right, but it definitely seems to have been the case in other industries so I'm not sure why music venues and events would be different once they get up and running.

I had a dream last night that I was at a festival and Pulp were playing. Ran over excitedly to join the crowd and realised everyone was sat down in little spaced out squares on the floor :( Clearly spending too much time in these threads!

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37 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

It is after all just guidance.

it is, but it's also guidance with legal weight behind it, because local authorities can revoke a licence if they don't think the event is working to the guidance.

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2 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

it is, but it's also guidance with legal weight behind it, because local authorities can revoke a licence if they don't think the event is working to the guidance.

True. I did think that, but that applies to pubs too, doesn't it? And if pubs are getting away with flouting the rules then...

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2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

True. I did think that, but that applies to pubs too, doesn't it? And if pubs are getting away with flouting the rules then...

my perception is that pubs don't really get the same focus on an individual basis from the licencing peeps as festivals do, and by-nature the 'audience' size of a pub is somewhat limited and the issues to be managed small in number.

I'd say that if local authorities are going to be free and easy about letting festivals go ahead then they'll probably be insisting on face masks as a mandatory requirement.

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I could imagine some great crazy mask designs and a massive thread on here dedicated to it. I did nearly buy a light up flashing skull mask type thing a few years back but the cost put me off.

 

Could you imagine @crazyfool1 designs. Plus with his hat :)

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25 minutes ago, fred quimby said:

I could imagine some great crazy mask designs and a massive thread on here dedicated to it. I did nearly buy a light up flashing skull mask type thing a few years back but the cost put me off.

 

Could you imagine @crazyfool1 designs. Plus with his hat :)

I’ll have a think .... I’d struggle with masks at a warm one though ... I’ve just resorted to my face shield at work now as I can’t cope with the heat ... if I’m just nipping in shops though a mask is fine for a short periods but don’t think I could do an entire festival ... what I’m not sure of is why they would be mandatory for outside ? , when at the moment they aren’t inside for gyms and supermarkets ...

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Just got sent this - sort of like a festival. Campsite open outside Bristol with festival-style entertainment and social distancing measures. Sounds alright (though not particularly wild, which is to be expected to be fair):

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife/pop-up-paradise-campsite-near-4305764?fbclid=IwAR1a9GoMX9cGl_COH_dnGIo2EWMXQACrAHlxhmFLQL-dH27QVr-Bn7ddgZQ

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8 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

True. I did think that, but that applies to pubs too, doesn't it? And if pubs are getting away with flouting the rules then...

Pubs should be under the same standards. In the u.s there are bars and restaurants that have gotten their liquor licenses suspended for covid violations. Nobody should be able to get around the rules set in place. If they shut down a few pubs in london and fine them, i bet everyone else will comply.

 

And how funny when I mention that a treatment for the short term could be the best bet.  Truly shows that its all about the money over here. Who cares if its only a stop gap and you have to spend money on it? You at least have something viable that eases pressure off creating a vaccine in half the time it normally takes. 

 

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Is it just me who thinks the primavera run thing in Barcelona doesn't look terrible with distancing? For now anyway. 

Then again it is in Spain where it's less likely to piss it down all summer

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8 hours ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

True. I did think that, but that applies to pubs too, doesn't it? And if pubs are getting away with flouting the rules then...

 

8 hours ago, eFestivals said:

my perception is that pubs don't really get the same focus on an individual basis from the licencing peeps as festivals do, and by-nature the 'audience' size of a pub is somewhat limited and the issues to be managed small in number.

I'd say that if local authorities are going to be free and easy about letting festivals go ahead then they'll probably be insisting on face masks as a mandatory requirement.

The pub in Pilton has been visited by the police and licencing people several times in the days before they reopened last Saturday.  They have abided by the guidelines to the letter because they have been told they will be closed if they are found not doing so. Maybe it's just Mendip that are on point?

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29 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Pubs should be under the same standards. In the u.s there are bars and restaurants that have gotten their liquor licenses suspended for covid violations. Nobody should be able to get around the rules set in place. If they shut down a few pubs in london and fine them, i bet everyone else will comply.

 

And how funny when I mention that a treatment for the short term could be the best bet.  Truly shows that its all about the money over here. Who cares if its only a stop gap and you have to spend money on it? You at least have something viable that eases pressure off creating a vaccine in half the time it normally takes. 

 

I agree with you for what its worth but I just don't see anyone getting shut down over it over here.

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8 hours ago, eFestivals said:

my perception is that pubs don't really get the same focus on an individual basis from the licencing peeps as festivals do, and by-nature the 'audience' size of a pub is somewhat limited and the issues to be managed small in number.

I'd say that if local authorities are going to be free and easy about letting festivals go ahead then they'll probably be insisting on face masks as a mandatory requirement.

And this is the long and short of it - it goes ahead but under such a diminished experience that it becomes simply not worth it.

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19 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

I agree with you for what its worth but I just don't see anyone getting shut down over it over here.

I think they should do it just to show theyre being serious. All it takes is one instance to get the rest to fall in line. 

when the beaches were first being closed in los angeles, many people thought they would not enforce the restrictions or the fines that came with it. Then when the first person that was caught got arrested for trespassing and fined $1000, people were crying that it wasnt fair. 

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On 7/10/2020 at 8:34 AM, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

We just need to pray for this vaccine then. From what I’ve read the oxford one won’t exactly be a magic wand, but should hopefully be enough for the government to shift the guidance.

Unrelated really, but I went to the pub yesterday with some mates, 7 of us in total from five different households. We all sat together. No doubt this is happening nationally in most pubs, so the two household thing is certainly not being observed at the moment. Hard to see it being observed at any sort of festival that tries to go ahead.

Indoor gatherings should only be occurring in groups of up to 2 households (including support bubbles) while outdoor gatherings should only be occurring in groups of up to 2 households (or support bubbles), or a group of at most 6 people from any number of households.

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/working-safely-during-coronavirus-covid-19/restaurants-offering-takeaway-or-delivery

It's my birthday next week and I'm arranging birthday drinks with friends but keeping it to 6 people outside.

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On ‎7‎/‎10‎/‎2020 at 1:28 PM, Homer said:

Just got sent this - sort of like a festival. Campsite open outside Bristol with festival-style entertainment and social distancing measures. Sounds alright (though not particularly wild, which is to be expected to be fair):

https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/whats-on/music-nightlife/pop-up-paradise-campsite-near-4305764?fbclid=IwAR1a9GoMX9cGl_COH_dnGIo2EWMXQACrAHlxhmFLQL-dH27QVr-Bn7ddgZQ

That looks interesting for a few days away. Lovely down by Chew Valley as well. See they have stopped bookings due to demand.

This could be good ;)

Thursday evening will be jointly curated by Breaking Convention, an organisation dedicated to understanding psychedelics

 

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So it seems as a whole we need to be in a better position by March for festivals to definitely be able to go ahead next year, certainly a reasonable length of time so fingers crossed all will be better by then 

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