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10 minutes ago, nikkic said:

The fact you think luck is the biggest factor in a business

I really think it is. Yes, you can make a living without luck, just by sheer hard work. But every single person I know who has "made it" was (a) incredibly lucky - and most admit it; and (b) have never replicated that success - apart from having wads of cash which by default makes more.

Luck can be defined as preparation meeting opportunity, but hell, you need something more than that.

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22 hours ago, nikkic said:

 

There is always cash available from punters, even in shit situations like this. 
 

Because the government are paying the salaries of millions of people while they can't work.

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1 hour ago, nikkic said:

The fact you think luck is the biggest factor in a business shows just how far apart we are with our ideologies 😂

a business can do everything right and still fail. It only succeeds if other stuff outside of that business's control aligns with what the business is trying to do. The luck of that is a big big factor.

But anyway, the point I was making is that success or failure is about much more than the simple "good businesses succeed and bad businesses fail".

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9 hours ago, scaryclaireyfairy said:

Once they start letting punters in stadiums for sports, we'll have a better idea of how likely festivals are next year.

One way ahead (for Glasto at least) could be having fewer punters but keeping the festival's actual footprint as big as possible. Obviously this means lots less cash to play with so maybe more of a return to the old days in terms of line-up, fewer late night zones etc. Campfires and pop up sound systems again. I'd not grumble. I could certainly see huge international acts taking another year out from touring if they can afford to, making the pool of possibles even shallower anyway.  Coldplay, Elbow and Fatboy Slim for 2022? I'd still go.

Everyone will still cram to the front of an act regardless, I don't see that changing. See your actual capacity probably won't make much difference if it's 5,000 or 250,000. 

 

As for other changes when festivals come back I can see cash just not being a thing at all. Completely contactless across the site.

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1 minute ago, Sawdusty Surfer said:

Borderline stuff for Glastonbury 

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I'm beginning to feel that there is some shift (whether media led or not) towards people having to accept a contamination risk. It could be that public spaces get a traffic light - green - low risk, all social distancing etc in place; amber - as long as you follow the rules you should not catch anything, but you might; red - high risk, if someone is in the same place as you has the virus, then you're very much at risk. They then let the public decide. Festivals would be red. The massive issue with this system is the poor sods forced to work in amber/red.

It feels like the white healthy immune will be pushing for this kind of freedom.

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4 hours ago, hfuhruhurr said:

I'm beginning to feel that there is some shift (whether media led or not) towards people having to accept a contamination risk. It could be that public spaces get a traffic light - green - low risk, all social distancing etc in place; amber - as long as you follow the rules you should not catch anything, but you might; red - high risk, if someone is in the same place as you has the virus, then you're very much at risk. They then let the public decide. Festivals would be red. The massive issue with this system is the poor sods forced to work in amber/red.

It feels like the white healthy immune will be pushing for this kind of freedom.

I would hope that GF wouldn't support any kind of approach that favours any particular demographic and simply cancel. 

If it cant be open to everyone then we won't have it until it can.

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6 minutes ago, parsonjack said:

I would hope that GF wouldn't support any kind of approach that favours any particular demographic and simply cancel. 

If it cant be open to everyone then we won't have it until it can.

I don’t think it’s a system that excludes people at all, other than allowing things to continue graded on risk and letting people decide what risk is acceptable to them.

I don’t agree with the last paragraph though which does spin it round and make it completely about demographics, which I don’t think that system would be.

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23 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

I don’t think it’s a system that excludes people at all, other than allowing things to continue graded on risk and letting people decide what risk is acceptable to them.

I don’t agree with the last paragraph though which does spin it round and make it completely about demographics, which I don’t think that system would be.

Perhaps I've worded that badly.....I don't think that GF would want to hold a festival where it requires some people to take risks in order to attend. That said though I guess that's little different to any 'normal' year?

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3 hours ago, parsonjack said:

Perhaps I've worded that badly.....I don't think that GF would want to hold a festival where it requires some people to take risks in order to attend. That said though I guess that's little different to any 'normal' year?

People die every "normal" year, so there is already an acceptance of some risk.  How much is it going to accept, that's the question.

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Wonder what form festivals will come back in if they find they have to satisfy now a whole bunch of new site license and / or insurance stipulations that make the whole event financially untenable and the festival unrecognisable...

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3 hours ago, Pinhead said:

Wonder what form festivals will come back in if they find they have to satisfy now a whole bunch of new site license and / or insurance stipulations that make the whole event financially untenable and the festival unrecognisable...

Look at what Disney is doing and thats likely what festivals will do. Disneyworld in Florida is opening up in phases and is essentially giving you a warning that you will take all risk when you enter and could get sick. So its up to us whether or not we view the activity as worth it or not because we could potentially get sick.

 

nobody is going to insure any festival from here on out in regards to a pandemic. Wimbeldon being the sole exception and was able to cash in because they paid those premiums all those years after H1N1. Unless youre willing to pay another 25% in ticket prices to cover that cost, its not happening. 

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I really can’t see it being anything other than binary when it comes to festivals, they can either go ahead completely normally or not at all.

Any sort of social distancing or any measures to limit the spread of a virus are completely incompatible with how a festival works, and would be equally pointless.

If you’re trying to stop a virus spreading you just don’t allow festivals.

Its important to remember though it’s not a risk specific to festivals, if it’s a question of personal risk of getting the virus, that can happen anywhere you come into contact with other people or where other people have been.

I personally don’t think actual risk of catching it will come into it at all though. It’s purely about the spread and the control of the virus from this point of view, once there are no longer concerns about having to contain the virus then I think things like festivals will return completely normally. Of course it’s just a question of when that will be.

From the point of view of personal risk of getting the virus that will just be down to the individual to weigh up alongside everything else in life.

 

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To add to the above, let’s say Glastonbury was still happening next month. if you look at the recent testing of all Premier league staff out of about 750 people 6 had it, so a little under 1%. That means if Glastonbury went ahead out the 200,000 people about 2000 would have it. So your personal risk of catching it would still be very low... you’d be very unlucky to get it. The problem is within a month these 2000 people will have created about a million infections. 

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2 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

To add to the above, let’s say Glastonbury was still happening next month. if you look at the recent testing of all Premier league staff out of about 750 people 6 had it, so a little under 1%. That means if Glastonbury went ahead out the 200,000 people about 2000 would have it. So your personal risk of catching it would still be very low... you’d be very unlucky to get it. The problem is within a month these 2000 people will have created about a million infections. 

I’m not sure it would be low ... maybe if you were at a distance yes ... but that wouldn’t be the case ... look at Cheltenham and anfield match and look what came from those ... 

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22 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

Borderline stuff for Glastonbury 

 

22 hours ago, ModernMan said:

Seems like Glastonbury 2021 being on is severely coming under threat already. 

I’m beginning to think the same. Could well be cancelled next year too. Our best indication of it going ahead will be when large scale sporting events are likely to be back on. With there being some talk of the olympics being out tight cancelled next year too, Glastonbury is looking perilous. 

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1 minute ago, zero000 said:

 

I’m beginning to think the same. Could well be cancelled next year too. Our best indication of it going ahead will be when large scale sporting events are likely to be back on. With there being some talk of the olympics being out tight cancelled next year too, Glastonbury is looking perilous. 

It’s clearly dicey. Most people have taken it on the chin and accepted that 2020’s cultural calendar is scrapped. Will people accept 2021’s gone as well? I sort of think we’ll have to learn to live with it (by better testing and treatments etc) rather than keep cancelling everything. We shall see...

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5 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

I’m not sure it would be low ... maybe if you were at a distance yes ... but that wouldn’t be the case ... look at Cheltenham and anfield match and look what came from those ... 

Probability wise it would be low, if Glastonbury was on right now then about 1% of attendees would have it and be asymptomatic. They’d still clearly spread it which is the issue, but individually the chances of you getting it would still be low. Obviously you’d be close to people, but would you end up close to the 1% who had it? Probability wise you likely wouldn’t, although naturally some would which is where you’d end up with 1m infections a month down the line. 

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Just now, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Probability wise it would be low, if Glastonbury was on right now then about 1% of attendees would have it and be asymptomatic. They’d still clearly spread it which is the issue, but individually the chances of you getting it would still be low. Obviously you’d be close to people, but would you end up close to the 1% who had it? Probability wise you likely wouldn’t, although naturally some would which is where you’d end up with 1m infections a month down the line. 

How many bands do you see over the weekend ? Correct me if I’m wrong here but aren’t chances increased as you are spending time at each band in close proximity ... rather than sat at your tent with the same people around you ... ? Moving about I’m sure would be lower risk but those same people will be touching surfaces wherever they go too ... 

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I haven’t looked to much at this thread! Mainly I wanted to be in denial as I had a three year plan for a new career project  based around festivals and entertainment venues and child adult exploitation. Anyone wants to be bored by my ideas please message me it’s more positive that it sounds! 
what it made me realise that as well as the infection factor there are so many other things tht would be effected by not having festivals financially and mentally and physically for so many people! 
 

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