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3 minutes ago, Paul ™ said:

Ohh imagine if Glastonbury brought that system in... no vaccination or negative result = no entry 😅

Ive been pushing  the idea for a while. We just tend to forget cause a day is a week now so a week is a year in covid time.

 

4 minutes ago, incident said:

As always with the "Ticketmaster doing something stupid" stories, it's worth pointing out that it's Ticketmaster USA.

Doing something like that over here would be a lot more difficult, because of GDPR.

Its a step in the right direction. Sorry, we might have attempted coups and crazy right wing racists trying to ruin the party but at least we might get shows again. 

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2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I can imagine that remaining for the interim period until the vaccine is available to everyone but I can't see tests being permanent

Some people will never be able to have the vaccine for one reason or another (health reasons, financial reasons, access reasons), and businesses know that. Mandatory vaccines for live or large events (or anything really) is simply not realistic, and there's all sorts of extreme data and privacy complications when you multiply that across different countries and continents. It'll never happen, so there's no point people stressing about it.

Testing in some form is way more likely.

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9 minutes ago, incident said:

Doing something like that over here would be a lot more difficult, because of GDPR.

GDPR ends at the end of the year (unless some agreement is made to maintain it, however the Tories hate this as it gets in the way of their big data ambitions).

Vaccine rollouts will be staggered according to vulnerability, then public service priority then age groups, so the youngest punters may well be the last to get it - maybe right up to the wire then when it comes to June....

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4 minutes ago, Suprefan said:

Its a step in the right direction. Sorry, we might have attempted coups and crazy right wing racists trying to ruin the party but at least we might get shows again. 

Implementing a scheme like that, in the UK at least, wouldn't make much difference. At the absolute most it'd bring the timescales forward by about 2 months, and probably not at all.

It's one of those things that such an short term measure and such a pain to implement, that by the time all the pieces are in place it's no longer needed.

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2 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

GDPR ends at the end of the year (unless some agreement is made to maintain it, however the Tories hate this as it gets in the way of their big data ambitions).

Regardless of what it'll be called - the aspects that matter in terms of this conversation are all already written into UK law and don't expire - and will likely still be informally referred to as GDPR for a while to come even if that's not technically correct anymore.

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1 minute ago, eFestivals said:

don't think that's correct. For the moment (until there's a different law) it's UK law.

True for the moment - I'm not sure if we default to the original Data Protection Act after 31st Dec, however the decoupling of EU GDPR and UK GDPR has been enough to raise concerns about how aligned the two will be and so how personal data sharing will continue between the two after 31st. For example, my firm now have to come up with a plan about how they can store employee data concerning our Italian employees in the UK after then.

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2 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

I'm not sure if we default to the original Data Protection Act after 31st Dec

no, we don't.

All of the EU-driven laws the UK has put in place over the years remain as UK law, until the UK passes a new law.
 

4 minutes ago, Pinhead said:

however the decoupling of EU GDPR and UK GDPR has been enough to raise concerns about how aligned the two will be and so how personal data sharing will continue between the two after 31st.

That's a slightly different issue, caused because we're no longer part of the EU's GDPR club - because we're able to introduce different data rules (and if we did we could pass on data that's come from the EU against GDPR rules).

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1 minute ago, Pinhead said:

True for the moment - I'm not sure if we default to the original Data Protection Act after 31st Dec

We default to the 2018 Data Protection Act - which can almost be described as "GDPR within the UK" and was pretty much written with an eye to ensuring no significant changes (for domestic data at least) for companies on Jan 1st 2021.

As I understand it, the main outstanding issues not covered are about data transfer/sharing between the UK and the EU.

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1 hour ago, Pinhead said:

GDPR ends at the end of the year (unless some agreement is made to maintain it, however the Tories hate this as it gets in the way of their big data ambitions).

 

It's UK law and the government have stated that it will continue post transition period.

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6 hours ago, incident said:

Implementing a scheme like that, in the UK at least, wouldn't make much difference. At the absolute most it'd bring the timescales forward by about 2 months, and probably not at all.

It's one of those things that such an short term measure and such a pain to implement, that by the time all the pieces are in place it's no longer needed.

Promoters have to find a way to cover their asses, this is what they have to do for a while. They will easily add a covid waiver on top of this requirement to their TOS and keep themselves spot free of anything at any event.

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'No, Ticketmaster won't force you to have a Covid vaccine' but the venue might.......

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-54920146

"Ticketmaster does not have the power to set policies around safety/entry requirements, which would include vaccines and/or testing protocols," it said.

"That is up to the discretion of the event organiser. Ticketmaster continues to work with event organisers on all Covid safety measures and it will be up to each event organiser to set future requirements, based on their preferences and local health guidelines."

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The rapido test currently requires you to be teeming with virus to score a positive result within 15 minutes. So the timing for this test would crucial - you can't get people to the venue, get a positive result and realise that Mr Viral Load has just super-spread to his section of the queue.

The 90 min PCR test and can sort batches of 10 in one "bubble", then test individuals if the bubble result is positive. But the issue there is 90 mins is too long for any kind of mass event and the number of machines needed to process the batches is way too many.

Methinks they'll solve this early in the new year - the pressure will come from footie and other sports before festivals - and along with a vaccine, my feeling is that it's a go for next year.

So, now I need a ticket.

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Just now, dotdash79 said:

Interesting that a number of festivals have been posting more positively on social media these last couple of days. Bingley live are even announcing a headliner on Monday. 

There does seem a sudden optimism.  Wonder if they’ve been told something?

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Reckon the news that the at risk population will hopefully all be vaccinated by springtime will have boosted everyone's confidence. This government are going to want to open up everything as quickly as possible. Once they've vaccinated those most at risk of hospitalisation/death then I imagine it'll turn into a free for all, in terms of outside activities at least. They'll leave the decision to you as to whether you want to put yourself at risk, knowing you at least can't pass it on to someone clinically vulnerable. 

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