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Yeah that's not good news.

As a quick aside, that last paragraph is interesting given the government's (and opposition tbh) commitment to re-opening/keeping schools open whatever happens. Surely, if it's the case that it's one of the main two reasons for preventing to uptick in R, that needs a rethink?

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37 minutes ago, SwedgeAntilles said:

As a quick aside, that last paragraph is interesting given the government's (and opposition tbh) commitment to re-opening/keeping schools open whatever happens. Surely, if it's the case that it's one of the main two reasons for preventing to uptick in R, that needs a rethink?

I don't think anyone is going to argue that festivals are as socially-useful as schools. :P 

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Does 'mass events' refer to indoors or outdoors, though? Festivals are a totally different thing to horse racing or a boxing match or an arena gig, for instance, where there's lots of indoor mingling. Transmission outside, and particularly in certain conditions, is very low.

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28 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Does 'mass events' refer to indoors or outdoors, though? Festivals are a totally different thing to horse racing or a boxing match or an arena gig, for instance, where there's lots of indoor mingling. Transmission outside, and particularly in certain conditions, is very low.

Weren’t the Cheltenham festival and the Liverpool/Atletico match on the week beginning 9th March seen as superspreading events despite being outdoors? 

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20 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Weren’t the Cheltenham festival and the Liverpool/Atletico match on the week beginning 9th March seen as superspreading events despite being outdoors? 

I don't think anyone really succeeded in pinning that on them, although there was lots of speculation that they might have been.

Whatever, it looks like festivals might have the longest-lasting of outdoor restrictions. 

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16 minutes ago, zahidf said:

I do wonder if Glastonbury does go ahead, whether there will be a substantial anti covid/vaccine element in the more esoteric areas of the festival.

Don't you know that the stone circle contains the cure for Covid? That's the real reason no one is allowed on the farm right now.

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9 minutes ago, TorontoScot said:

Article on Geoff Ellis (head of TRNSMT and T in the Park) running a test event in another country for 1000 people and how they would test before/after. The hope is if it’s successful the scottish government will allow the measures here. 
 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trnsmt-boss-hopes-new-covid-22897700

Thanks.

Good to see someone giving the idea a proper trial.

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4 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Weren’t the Cheltenham festival and the Liverpool/Atletico match on the week beginning 9th March seen as superspreading events despite being outdoors? 

There was some initial talk that they were, but both have large indoor components (toilets, bars, box offices) and football also has the pre-and-post match boozing in packed pubs. So I don't think they're comparable to outdoor festivals really.

The fact that none of the multiple protests throughout the summer saw spikes shows good indication that it's not something that spreads easily outdoors.

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3 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

There was some initial talk that they were, but both have large indoor components (toilets, bars, box offices) and football also has the pre-and-post match boozing in packed pubs. So I don't think they're comparable to outdoor festivals really.

The fact that none of the multiple protests throughout the summer saw spikes shows good indication that it's not something that spreads easily outdoors.

On the bottom bit there’s a bit of influence of level of prevelance of the virus being lower during the summer months ... let’s hope we get back to those levels and potentially a lot lower with a vaccine come June 

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3 hours ago, TorontoScot said:

Article on Geoff Ellis (head of TRNSMT and T in the Park) running a test event in another country for 1000 people and how they would test before/after. The hope is if it’s successful the scottish government will allow the measures here. 
 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trnsmt-boss-hopes-new-covid-22897700

Good to see someone exploring possible avenues but still obstacles to overcome. As Geoff Ellis acknowledges one big sticking point is the cost of a test. Hopefully progress will be made to reduce this additional burden. Another big sticking point is social distancing which if required will impact viability. Many obstacles remain.

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1 hour ago, jannybruck said:

The fact that none of the multiple protests throughout the summer saw spikes shows good indication that it's not something that spreads easily outdoors.

Protesters have acquired covid but no data exists directly linking attendance to infection. As with a lot of things covid it's circumstantial evidence.

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23 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Weren’t the Cheltenham festival and the Liverpool/Atletico match on the week beginning 9th March seen as superspreading events despite being outdoors? 

I think that one was the fact Madrid was shut down, so clearly in a bad state, yet thousands of Atletico fans were still allowed over to go on our trains/buses/airports/bars/hotels- and it sounded like a lot of them stayed for a couple of days too, which put them in contact with the general public more than a match between two local teams.

I guess Cheltenham is the same because most people stay, use hotels and bars etc so the days event is outside but the evening stuff is indoors. 

All problems any festival or event will need to overcome if we're still in "stop transmission" mode come the summer. You'd realistically need to make everyone arrive by car

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On 10/24/2020 at 2:08 PM, TorontoScot said:

Article on Geoff Ellis (head of TRNSMT and T in the Park) running a test event in another country for 1000 people and how they would test before/after. The hope is if it’s successful the scottish government will allow the measures here. 
 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/trnsmt-boss-hopes-new-covid-22897700

Scottish Govt says 'no' :( 

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/live-gigs-virus-testing-plan-22909014?utm_source=sendinblue&utm_campaign=28_October_2020_-_Full__Trial&utm_medium=email

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1 hour ago, eFestivals said:

Not an outright rejection, more of a proceed with your plans and present the case, however these are the holes as we see them. On the latter the statement "physical distancing is expected to remain central to reducing transmission risk" is a huge barrier. We can only hope an early decline in covid infections in 2021 will allow this to be relaxed sooner rather than later. My associates in PH are not optimistic on that. 

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22 minutes ago, Lycra said:

Not an outright rejection, more of a proceed with your plans and present the case, however these are the holes as we see them.

the biggest 'hole' I can see is the responsibility of letting something go ahead which might later be shown as a bad decision. 

Even if the test goes very well I can't really see any individual in any role being happy to OK it and then perhaps have it come back on them. Why set yourself up as the fall guy?

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