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Johnson talking about this moonshot malarkey actually makes me feel incredibly confident about Glastonbury. You can’t use how things look right now as any indication. This moonshot deal says to me their plan is, one way or another, to be back to normal by the spring. Hancock was talking about using testing to unlocking everything before we get a vaccine as well.

They’re a bunch of clowns, but they’re making the calls and the indications from them is they want things back to normal ASAP. I think we’re at the Farm next year either with a vaccine or with an extensive testing program in place.

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Do you think there was a bit of a good cop-bad cop deal going on between Boris and the experts (when they were talking about Moonshot)?

I still think we’ll be told to live with the virus come spring - with extra hygiene measures and testing in place. I also wonder if they were being deliberately cautious with wording and dates as they know people are starting to get fed up with the ‘world-beating’ rhetoric? Boris tales criticism personally and won’t want to face Keir with that in his back pocket...

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5 hours ago, Matt42 said:

If the 6 person gathering rule is staying in place till at least Christmas I cannot see Glastonbury and the entire festival period going ahead.

Downvote me if you want or call me a doomsayer who is “at it again” but I think Glastonbury 2021 was just cancelled right now.

They won’t spend money on a festival which can’t be certain it’s going ahead till January at the earliest.

Nah, you're right. It's not happening is it?

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I think next year is going to be very different for all festivals and I also think festivals will need to be willing to change and adapt to circumstances and punters will need to accept these changes to go ahead. There are still so many unknowns about what may happen and where we will be when crucial decisions are needing to be made so I wouldn't flat out write these things off after todays announcements 

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Just now, Matt42 said:

If we can’t meet in groups above 6 until Jan 2021 at the earliest how are we going to meet in groups of 200,000 in June?

Vaccines. But it doesn't look like they're coming soon enough. I had swallowed some of the AstraZeneca hype about September/October roll out. I reckon we'll be good in around about 12 months time, just as festival season finishes.

But vaccines really will be game changers. What's happened in the past with this pandemic will not reflect how things will go during the vaccine roll out.

Just a shame on the timing, it just doesn't seem to line up.

 

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15 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said:

Vaccines. But it doesn't look like they're coming soon enough. I had swallowed some of the AstraZeneca hype about September/October roll out. I reckon we'll be good in around about 12 months time, just as festival season finishes.

But vaccines really will be game changers. What's happened in the past with this pandemic will not reflect how things will go during the vaccine roll out.

Just a shame on the timing, it just doesn't seem to line up.

 

We’ve been waiting for a game changer from the Vaccines for a decade now. I’m not sure they’ll manage it in the next 8 months.

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I would go to a festival tomorrow. Don’t get me wrong. I just feel like it’s going to be our government which fucks it up for us.

Other countries have routine testing and testing which isn’t contingent on symptoms.

We need to invest more money into matching this. I honestly think this is the only way forward.

Got plans to see the gramps? Get a test.

Got plans for a big occasion coming up? Get a test.

To hear Matt Hancock read this approach down was heavily disappointing. This is exactly the thing we should be doing. This is exactly how we are falling behind. 

thought I’d be a bit more positive by actually offering a solution. 

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14 hours ago, Matt42 said:

If the 6 person gathering rule is staying in place till at least Christmas I cannot see Glastonbury and the entire festival period going ahead.

Downvote me if you want or call me a doomsayer who is “at it again” but I think Glastonbury 2021 was just cancelled right now.

They won’t spend money on a festival which can’t be certain it’s going ahead till January at the earliest.

they don't need to spend money till January at the earliest, and that pretty much looks like the plan they were already working to (what with the refund date being moved to January).

So there's no need to panic just yet. There's 3+ months to get through, and things could massively change in that time.

For example, we can all keep a look out for Spaffer's moneyshot moonshot.

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7 hours ago, Matt42 said:

Other countries have routine testing and testing which isn’t contingent on symptoms.

Spaffer said yesterday that the UK has the highest testing rate in Europe. I haven't checked but presume that's true.

But whatever, no one currently has testing at a high enough level to allow the safe(ish) resumption of gigs and festivals, as that would (for the UK) require something like 10 million tests a day.

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Some information from the Telegraph today about rapid tests coming to market:

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Two new fast tests were launched on Wednesday that could help pave the way for mass testing.

One, by British AI specialists iAbra, uses microscopic holographic imaging to “see” Covid-19 molecules and produces results with 99.5 per cent accuracy in 20 seconds.

A second fast saliva-based Covid test by HALO, a British biotech firm, is to be rolled out at Exeter University for symptomatic and vulnerable students.

They were unveiled on the day Boris Johnson spelled out his "Moonshot" programme aimed at delivering 10 million tests a day by early next year in a bid to restore "normal life."

The iAbra test, validated as 99.8 per cent accurate by Bristol University, is claimed to be 50 times more sensitive than the current PCR test used by the NHS which means that it could detect Covid-19 infections far earlier before people displayed symptoms.

The British-invented test is designed to provide mass screening so that people could enter a football stadium, theatre or plane in the knowledge that others joining them were highly unlikely to be infected.

It bypasses the need for overburdened laboratories which have been blamed for delays in test and trace by providing on-the-spot results in seconds.

People swab saliva from their cheek and tongue before placing the sample in a cartridge that is analysed by a digital camera linked to artificial intelligence that can recognise the proteins on an individual Covid-19 cell.

It has the capability to see ten molecules of the virus in a single saliva sample, compared with around 500 needed for a conventional PCR test with the result, negative or positive, provided 20 seconds after the cartridge is inserted in the screening box.

“We can find someone before they are infectious,” said Greg Compton, chief executive of iAbra, the Bedfordshire company which has created the test.

It has been backed by Intel, the multinational technology giant, and is being produced by TT Electronics, an LSE-listed 5,000 employee company.

The technology, which is registered with the UK medical regulator MHRA, has been trialled at Heathrow as part of the Government’s Condor programme to develop mass-testing and is due to undergo Public Health England (PHE) clinical trials within the next few weeks.

The company hopes to produce up to 15,000 of the screening units in the next two months, each of which could test some 1,650 people per day.

John Holland Kaye, Heathrow’s chief executive, said: “It is quicker and cheaper and potentially more accurate [than the PCR tests]. We urge the Government to fast track this technology to protect the economy and help save millions of jobs in this country.”

It came as HALO, a British biotech company, unveiled its fast saliva-based Covid test, which is ten times more sensitive than the PCR test and can provide results in under seven hours via an app.

The HALO test is to be used by Exeter University for students who display symptoms and on targeted vulnerable groups and the company is in talks with a global airline, a medical research facility, City firms and other businesses.

“It is designed for large British organisations to test their people conveniently and painlessly and get them back to work safely and cost-effectively,” said the company.

 

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24 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

Larmer Tree Festival has decided not to hold a festival in 2021 because of the uncertainty. :( 

From reading their statement, I kind of get the feeling that they're probably done entirely but want to leave the door open just in case they can find a way come back.

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I am afraid having a vaccine made and delivered to the whole nation by late June is just not happening. I'm sorry but not one expert says this is likely. 

I believe the only possibility of G/ large festival events happening next year is if there is some sort of game changer with testing (such as the British one above). i.e quick testing and proof you've been tested etc. Vague I know but this, I believe, is our only chance. This has to be in the pipeline by January too so G can book and plan. Vaccine is far away.

I still think moving to late summer is their best chance but also understand this might not be possible. 

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42 minutes ago, incident said:

From reading their statement, I kind of get the feeling that they're probably done entirely but want to leave the door open just in case they can find a way come back.

I think it changed ownership about a year ago to the person who runs the production (also a shareholder?) for End Of The Road, so I doubt they'll be ready to give up on it just yet - although they might be strapped for cash, and might have made it a lower priority than EotR.

Fingers crossed it'll be back, because it wasn't long ago it was pretty much an instant sell-out.

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4 hours ago, danbailey80 said:

I am afraid having a vaccine made and delivered to the whole nation by late June is just not happening. I'm sorry but not one expert says this is likely. 

I believe the only possibility of G/ large festival events happening next year is if there is some sort of game changer with testing (such as the British one above). i.e quick testing and proof you've been tested etc. Vague I know but this, I believe, is our only chance. This has to be in the pipeline by January too so G can book and plan. Vaccine is far away.

I still think moving to late summer is their best chance but also understand this might not be possible. 

Didn't realise Chris Whitty was on the forum

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6 hours ago, danbailey80 said:

I am afraid having a vaccine made and delivered to the whole nation by late June is just not happening. I'm sorry but not one expert says this is likely. 

I believe the only possibility of G/ large festival events happening next year is if there is some sort of game changer with testing (such as the British one above). i.e quick testing and proof you've been tested etc. Vague I know but this, I believe, is our only chance. This has to be in the pipeline by January too so G can book and plan. Vaccine is far away.

I still think moving to late summer is their best chance but also understand this might not be possible. 

You’re right and the reason people don’t agree is because the truth is just a bit sore. I really do feel like we are going to be living with this virus for an awfully long time.

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