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4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

I don’t mean nearly everyone now, I mean that pretty much every school child will get the sniffles between now and the end of the winter 

Aren’t we talking about now though ? Capacity will obviously be overwhelmed if they all have tests today ... but the testing system surely needs to be capable of spreading the tests over the winter period ... 500,000 per day is an absolute load of tests if it were to ever happen ... quite happy to eat my words if /when it does 

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I think on a music festival message board it’s a legitimate question to ask. It doesn’t suggest the OP doesn’t give a shit about anything else. Of course there are much bigger things to be worrie

Like I said I found the comments unfair on our great prime minister anyway downvote removed! Given the circumstances he is doing a brilliant job 

Prince Charles is isolating at Balmoral with COVID-19. Prince Andrew is isolating at Windsor with Jenny, 14.

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1 hour ago, priest17 said:

Fair play Matt Morgan having a bit of a go standing up to him, does falter a bit later on though. Noel sounds like a knob though and the comments are grim so follow the link at your own detriment

 

I don't know who Matt Morgan is, but this is pretty funny. I mean, it totally confirms Noel as being a massive bellend, and I refuse even more to ever see him live....but some of the shit he comes out with is totally hilarious in its ridiculousness. 

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1 hour ago, Fuzzy Afro said:


 

Well, no parent wants their kid to be out of school, either because they’re losing education, or because you have to miss work to babysit them. If schools are refusing to take pupils with non-covid symptoms until they get tested, it stands to reason that 99.9% of parents will book them a test instead of just voluntarily isolating them for 10 days. Given how prominent sneezes and sniffles are in children, it follows that the testing capacity will be overwhelmed.

 

The government needs to clamp down heavy on this. No child should be missing school unless they have a new, continuous cough, a fever or a loss/change in sense of taste or smell. Sneezes and sniffles are not considered Covid symptoms and we can’t have every 7 year old in the country getting tested for covid on the basis of these as it’s taking away tests from people who might actually have the virus.

What’s mad-again-is we’ve just had all this in Scotland where the Schools went back 3 weeks or so before England. Testing demand went through the roof because all the Kids instantly got Colds after months being cooped up. Schools and parents were then Directed to only get tests if the specific Covid symptoms were being shown. Why was the situation in England not anticipated when there was an actual Case Study happening?

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1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

All part of the same overall picture though ... the claims made should be backed up by what’s achievable not some figure plucked out of the air because it sounds good 

It seems to me that testing is a chain of events:

  • Provide the testing equipment.
  • Get the person to be tested to a testing station
  • Obtain the sample.
  • Deliver the sample to the lab for analysis.
  • Analyse the sample
  • Get the result to the client, and if positive to track and trace ( and GP?).

This may not be all the steps, and obviously it is different for postal tests.

Like any chain it is only as strong as its weakest link. It is clear that the capacity figure quoted is based upon the strongest link, and so is never going to be achievable. 

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

A senior health official in China said she expected a vaccine to be publicly available as early as November, Lily Kuo reports.

Wu Guizhen, the head of biosafety at the Chinese Center for Disease Control and Prevention, said she expected Chinese vaccines for Covid-19 would be available to the public as soon as November or December.

Speaking to state broadcaster CCTV, Wu said: “It will be very soon. The progress is currently very smooth.”

I wonder how much of a safety "issue" you would overlook to save your own life....

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10 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

What’s mad-again-is we’ve just had all this in Scotland where the Schools went back 3 weeks or so before England. Testing demand went through the roof because all the Kids instantly got Colds after months being cooped up. Schools and parents were then Directed to only get tests if the specific Covid symptoms were being shown. Why was the situation in England not anticipated when there was an actual Case Study happening?

because we have been reactive through out .... on everything  and now reactive again on testing .... we just dont seem capable of learning from mistakes or admitting to errors ....

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1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Whats better: A handful of children missing school because they may have a symptom of covid.
 

Or a whole year group of children missing school because one child didn’t isolate when a possible symptom first presented itself. 
 

At that age, missing a few days of school isn’t going to severely harm a childs development however if whole schools have to close again then we are in danger of severely hampering a generation of education. 

I'm not sure if that calculation is right, as it isn't 1 kid with sniffles Vs the whole bubble it's all of the kids whenever they have a sniffle and on top of that if one of them tests positive the whole bubble anyway Vs just the bubble when there is a positive test.

Up here in Scotland after a week an a half of school we got a letter from Jason Leitch reminding us all that cold symptoms are not COVID symptoms and only COVID symptoms require the kids to isolate.

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2 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Up here in Scotland after a week an a half of school we got a letter from Jason Leitch reminding us all that cold symptoms are not COVID symptoms and only COVID symptoms require the kids to isolate.

The government info is OK but I much prefer it when the people up here put the message out on a way everyone can understand!

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19 minutes ago, MEGABOWL said:

What’s mad-again-is we’ve just had all this in Scotland where the Schools went back 3 weeks or so before England. Testing demand went through the roof because all the Kids instantly got Colds after months being cooped up. Schools and parents were then Directed to only get tests if the specific Covid symptoms were being shown. Why was the situation in England not anticipated when there was an actual Case Study happening?

Yep, this is the exact scenario in Ireland. Teachers make no call on whether a child can attend school or not. Testing is by GP referral and always has been, and when you ring and describe the symptoms, they make call on whether you need a test or whether it's more likely to be just a cold (and the same diagnostic criteria as listed by @Fuzzy Afro are used...new cough, temp, loss of taste/smell etc). If the doc says it's just a cold, then you just inform the teacher when they go to school that the decision on whether a test was required or not was taken by a medical professional. It's still resulted in testing centres full of kids who have just returned to school and we are slap bang in the middle of rhinovirus season, so loads of them have sniffles (and typically, this year's rhinovirus has a sore throat thrown in for good measure just to confuse things even more!). 

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Are schools actually sending home kids with "the sniffles"? My friend's kid had to isolate and have a test, but she had a cough. Being a bit snotty isn't a symptom of covid, but (as far as I know) kids aren't being sent home just for the sniffles.

Obviously there are still a lot of kids with colds having to isolate/get tested, but it seems a bit disingenuous to say the problem is sniffley kids without covid symptoms being forced out of schools.

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1 minute ago, Simsy said:

Are schools actually sending home kids with "the sniffles"? My friend's kid had to isolate and have a test, but she had a cough. Being a bit snotty isn't a symptom of covid, but (as far as I know) kids aren't being sent home just for the sniffles.

Obviously there are still a lot of kids with colds having to isolate/get tested, but it seems a bit disingenuous to say the problem is sniffley kids without covid symptoms being forced out of schools.

yep and id imagine if there were a few then it won't be close to the numbers of parents keeping kids out of school for tests as they will know the kids and symptoms far better than a teacher .... who might hear a kid coughing but in that scenario that is a symptom 

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10 minutes ago, mcshed said:

Simply coughing isn't a symptom it is a new continuous cough that is a COVID symptom.

Yep quite right ... but in a kid returning from school holidays how would a teacher have any idea if it was new ? And the continuous bit doesn’t mean they don’t stop coughing I believe it’s bouts of coughing .. although I suppose getting hold of the parents is possible . Hopefully we will have some teachers post to find out situation in England when they have finished today’s medical assessments 

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ultimately it’s a parents/Carers role to care for their child/child Not the teachers!!! Although I don’t know of many teachers who wouldn’t look after after a child if they became ill! It’s a parental decision of wether they send their child in!! What doesn’t help is when the government throw fines at parents for not sending their children in!! 
 

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23 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

Yep quite right ... but in a kid returning from school holidays how would a teacher have any idea if it was new ? And the continuous bit doesn’t mean they don’t stop coughing I believe it’s bouts of coughing .. although I suppose getting hold of the parents is possible . Hopefully we will have some teachers post to find out situation in England when they have finished today’s medical assessments 

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

That's the advice the NHS gives. Kids with colds aren't coughing for over an hour and if they were they'd be being sent home regardless of the pandemic, so teachers and schools really don't have to be over zealous about this.

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23 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Sounds like the remembrance Sunday gatherings is going to be cancelled, and crowds wont be allowed at the New Year Eves fireworks

Edinburgh Street party was cancelled a while back - doubt there will be a firework show either.   The end of festival fireworks over the august bank holiday didnt take place.  And with no tattoo there has been a significant lack of fireworks here all year.    I am missing them- it is too quiet.

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11 minutes ago, mcshed said:

a new, continuous cough – this means coughing a lot for more than an hour, or 3 or more coughing episodes in 24 hours (if you usually have a cough, it may be worse than usual)

That's the advice the NHS gives. Kids with colds aren't coughing for over an hour and if they were they'd be being sent home regardless of the pandemic, so teachers and schools really don't have to be over zealous about this.

I think the issue is the sheer amount of scaremongering which has gone on leaving all teachers in an impossible situation:

1. Classify standard cold symptoms as what they are, keep child in class, risk a public hanging if it turns out to be covid + lots of others are then infected.

2. Send child home and not risk any of the above yet get pulled apart when there is a lack of tests!

I think it's an absolute disgrace that my Wife is now in this lose - lose situation.

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