When will this shit end?

[Fuzzy Afro]

9 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Next big u-turn could be the ending of the furlough scheme...

I think that’s highly unlikely 

[Mr.Tease]

44 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Some bad news for a lot of you guys

As someone who lives in the town Dick Fest takes place, this is a huge blow for the local economy 

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, JoeyT said:

Valid points however a couple of questions:

I don't see how wearing a mask will encourage customers visiting the store to wear one? If someone goes in to a shop not wearing a mask they already see a visual reminder of 99% of other customers wearing a mask so not sure how staff wearing masks changes this behaviour.

What are the pinch points in regards to social distancing in a shop? When i've been in to my local supermarkets the staff are properly distanced stacking shelves and those on tills are socially distanced from each other. Is there something "behind the scenes" which causes an issue? 

 

ok so yes the first point is valid but if people were to do a weekly shopping trip as is becoming more the norm at the moment because its preferable to limit them .... the following week the customers would not wear them because of what they observed the previous week and because supermarkets dont enforce the wearing at the entrance usage drops in general terms ... ive seen it drop since the initial mandating  and my observations are that it seems to be better in supermarkets where full mask wearing happens with colleagues 

social distancing pinch points in our store ... the clocking in machine , training of other colleagues on palms , equipment stores , home shopping backups , and the major issue is colleagues socialising and chatting everywhere and just not maintaining distance .... so masks would limit this happening as chatting is a pain in them and would also lower transmission is both people were wearing them whist this happens 

[fatyeti24]

3 minutes ago, Mr.Tease said:

As someone who lives in the town Dick Fest takes place, this is a huge blow for the local economy 

I'd imagine it's going to be hard on all concerned.

[zahidf]

But what's the best way to kill her?

 

[stt11]

5 hours ago, stt11 said:

John Campbell wrote the course book, for a first year, course module, I did at the University of Leeds, 25 years ago. It was called Mind and Body. It was about the Philosophy of the mind and the body. It claimed that, 'the mind supervenes on the body'. Bit of a weird one.

The book was great though, it was unusually small and made the point really briefly and accurately; with no fuss. Will have to buy Vitamin D now!!!👩‍🚀🙂

 

Silly Me!!!! Wrong Guy!!!!! https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/professor-keith-campbell-biologist-who-played-a-leading-role-in-cloning-dolly-the-sheep-8209724.html

🙂

[Fuzzy Afro]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But what's the best way to kill her?

 

 

 

What I don't understand with this stuff, why don't we just not see our vulnerable relatives? My own granny isn't vulnerable to COVID, despite her age she can still run 10k's and plays golf 3 times a week so I think she would beat COVID easily. But if my other granny was still with us (she passed away last year), there's no way I'd be visiting her just now, because she had all kinds of underlying conditions and was 91.

 

So this idea that everyone is catching COVID at the pub/mate's house and then spreading it to granny can be avoided by just avoiding people with underlying health problems, no?

[Mr.Tease]

5 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

 

What I don't understand with this stuff, why don't we just not see our vulnerable relatives? My own granny isn't vulnerable to COVID, despite her age she can still run 10k's and plays golf 3 times a week so I think she would beat COVID easily. But if my other granny was still with us (she passed away last year), there's no way I'd be visiting her just now, because she had all kinds of underlying conditions and was 91.

 

So this idea that everyone is catching COVID at the pub/mate's house and then spreading it to granny can be avoided by just avoiding people with underlying health problems, no?

I'd find it difficult not to see my mum for over a year, and knowing she was by herself and couldn't have any visitors. I worry about her having a fall or a stroke or something. Loneliness also has a huge impact on aging deaths and mental decline. Plus she can't work any technology! I don't know how she'd manage! 

I think a lot of us would rather forego the pub and instead visit the people we care about 

Edited September 7, 2020 by Mr.Tease

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

I'd find it difficult not to see my mum for over a year, and knowing she was by herself and couldn't have any visitors. Plus she can't work any technology! I don't know how she'd manage! 

 

Well yeah, go and see her then. But people in that position like you would need to be more careful when meeting up with others, is my point. Some of us like myself has no reason to be going anywhere near any vulnerable people so this "don't kill granny" tripe needs to stop from Matt Cockblock and his mates.

[steviewevie]

6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

 

What I don't understand with this stuff, why don't we just not see our vulnerable relatives? My own granny isn't vulnerable to COVID, despite her age she can still run 10k's and plays golf 3 times a week so I think she would beat COVID easily. But if my other granny was still with us (she passed away last year), there's no way I'd be visiting her just now, because she had all kinds of underlying conditions and was 91.

 

So this idea that everyone is catching COVID at the pub/mate's house and then spreading it to granny can be avoided by just avoiding people with underlying health problems, no?

in theory...depends on how many people infected and people's behaviour..

[stuartbert two hats]

17 minutes ago, zahidf said:

But what's the best way to kill her?

 

Vote Conservative.

[Mr.Tease]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Well yeah, go and see her then. But people in that position like you would need to be more careful when meeting up with others, is my point. Some of us like myself has no reason to be going anywhere near any vulnerable people so this "don't kill granny" tripe needs to stop from Matt Cockblock and his mates.

People aren't robots though - vulnerable people want to see their kids or grand kids (and vice versa) , it's torture for them not to be able to. It's like me saying to you, why don't you just not go to the pub? 

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, Mr.Tease said:

People aren't robots though - vulnerable people want to see their kids or grand kids (and vice versa) , it's torture for them not to be able to. It's like me saying to you, why don't you just not go to the pub? 

And these people can reasonably expect the people they meet up with to have been taking extra precautions. If I was a shielder I'd be happy to meet more careful people and less happy to meet less careful people.

 

My point is that the "don't kill granny" thing is nonsense because Matt Cockblock has no idea if the young people who have been socialising have any intention of going near any vulnerable people. I, for sure, won't be letting any vulnerable people get anywhere near me any time soon.

[zahidf]

4 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

Well yeah, go and see her then. But people in that position like you would need to be more careful when meeting up with others, is my point. Some of us like myself has no reason to be going anywhere near any vulnerable people so this "don't kill granny" tripe needs to stop from Matt Cockblock and his mates.

you cant avoid vulnerable people with a virus like this, especially if its 2nd or 3rd removed from the person your meeting with or are in a pub with

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, zahidf said:

you cant avoid vulnerable people with a virus like this, especially if its 2nd or 3rd removed from the person your meeting with or are in a pub with

Yes you can. I haven't come into close contact with a vulnerable person since Boxing Day when I saw my great uncle. I won't be going near one anytime soon either.

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

And these people can reasonably expect the people they meet up with to have been taking extra precautions. If I was a shielder I'd be happy to meet more careful people and less happy to meet less careful people.

 

My point is that the "don't kill granny" thing is nonsense because Matt Cockblock has no idea if the young people who have been socialising have any intention of going near any vulnerable people. I, for sure, won't be letting any vulnerable people get anywhere near me any time soon.

it spreads, some people get it and are asymptomatic, they give it to granny.

I should be an epidiomoligithingyist

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, steviewevie said:

it spreads, some people get it and are asymptomatic, they give it to granny.

I should be an epidiomoligithingyist

 

If your granny is vulnerable, then you shouldn't go near her if you've been socialising (and hence at risk of being asymptomatic)

 

It's quite simple really.

[mcshed]

2 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Yes you can. I haven't come into close contact with a vulnerable person since Boxing Day when I saw my great uncle. I won't be going near one anytime soon either.

Have you been in contact with anyone who has themselves been in contact with a vulnerable person?

[fatyeti24]

Just now, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

If your granny is vulnerable, then you shouldn't go near her if you've been socialising (and hence at risk of being asymptomatic)

 

It's quite simple really.

Maybe if we take "granny" less literally, then avoiding vulnerable people who are not your parents' parents becomes much more complicated.  Some of them leave their homes and walk among us.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, mcshed said:

Have you been in contact with anyone who has themselves been in contact with a vulnerable person?

 

I would assume so, but that's on them.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

 

If your granny is vulnerable, then you shouldn't go near her if you've been socialising (and hence at risk of being asymptomatic)

 

It's quite simple really.

other people might give it to granny.

[steviewevie]

Just now, fatyeti24 said:

Maybe if we take "granny" less literally, then avoiding vulnerable people who are not your parents' parents becomes much more complicated.  Some of them leave their homes and walk among us.

yes, you see them sometimes.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Just now, fatyeti24 said:

Maybe if we take "granny" less literally, then avoiding vulnerable people who are not your parents' parents becomes much more complicated.  Some of them leave their homes and walk among us.

 

You probably aren't going to spread the virus to someone by walking past them on the street or in a shop, although I wear a face covering in the latter to minimise risk. By "contact" I mean 15+ minutes within 2 metres

[Quark]

34 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

I don't see how wearing a mask will encourage customers visiting the store to wear one? If someone goes in to a shop not wearing a mask they already see a visual reminder of 99% of other customers wearing a mask so not sure how staff wearing masks changes this behaviour.

I think just an element of herd behaviour on that tbh, especially as people by nature look to bend or stretch rules to the point where they can get away with something.

If you're asked / told to wear a mask in a shop and see a customer not wearing one, you think "well that person's not obeying the rules", but if most people are wearing them then you see that person as an outlier and it has less impact on your behaviour.  You might think that the shop can't enforce it on everyone, or recognise they're in a difficult position to try and do so.

But if the shop's own employees aren't wearing them, I would say people are more likely to question the validity of doing it at all.  An employer has a much greater degree of control over their staff's behaviour than they do their customers'.  If it was actually that important to wear a mask, surely the shop would make their staff do it?  Or you'd think that "you're telling me to do it but you're not doing it yourself, so why should I?".

I think it takes away some of the shop's credibility or leverage by not doing what they tell their customers to do.

[Fuzzy Afro]

1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

other people might give it to granny.

That would be their fault surely?