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Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

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Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

The way I view it is that if he’s losing those people on Twitter he’s probably looking better to the vast majority of other voters. Those people on Twitter loved Corbyn and he was disliked with the public. He needs to appeal to more than the Labour Twitter supporters.

Whether you like him or not he’s the best chance of a Labour government (if that’s your aim) and ultimately of getting the Tories out of power. 

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3 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

I'm hoping that many are like me (although I haven't been vocal other than here) and, whilst not convinced by him, would still end up voting Labour when it came to it. 

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8 minutes ago, priest17 said:

he's lost loads of labour voters

has he? Those 'dedicated' left wingers will cast their vote in a way which will help the tories stay in power?

Pursuing such a firm what-I-want line doesn't sound very socialist to me. 

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Just now, eFestivals said:

has he? Those 'dedicated' left wingers will cast their vote in a way which will help the tories stay in power?

Pursuing such a firm what-I-want line doesn't sound very socialist to me. 

There’s this too!

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13 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

Has he kept it a secret? I just took it from his Wikipedia page. If he was as right-wing as people on Twitter claim you've got to wonder why Corbyn had him in his cabinet really.

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I agree with the sentiment that at the moment it doesn’t much matter *what* he stands for. He just needs to spend some time using his analytics and argument skills to eviscerate BJ and crew and then when that job is compete would be the time to paint a new vision of the future. 

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Pandering to the extreme left of the voting demographic isn’t going to win elections. 
 

You need to have a leader that is going to be tolerated by the maximum amount of people. Corbyn was far too extremist for the average UK voter. This has been proved when the Tories literally put in a clown to oppose him at the last election and Corbyn still lost. 
 

I feel much more confident with Starmer in charge of Labour even if he has similar ideals to Corbyn. Those people complaining that Starmer is too Tory for labour obviously doesn’t understand our voting demographic. The average union jack waving Scum reader isn’t going to vote for the extreme liberal option and they make up a significant proportion of the swing voters in our country. 

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32 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

has he? Those 'dedicated' left wingers will cast their vote in a way which will help the tories stay in power?

Pursuing such a firm what-I-want line doesn't sound very socialist to me. 

polls are certainly not showing him losing labour voters. Whole load of loud mouths online are whinging though

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56 minutes ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

Same with me. A very vocal minority... A lot of them seem to be younger ‘activists’ who were swept up in Corbynmania. At least they are engaged in politics?

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1 hour ago, priest17 said:

Maybe this is just because of who I follow on Twitter but Keir seems to have lost so many labour voters (I get whiplash switching from there to the love in here) I wonder when he plans to try and get them back on board. I guess he doesn't wanna scare people off saying outright he's a socialist but then he's lost loads of labour voters keeping it a secret, if it's truly the case.

I remain pretty indifferent about him but I've also taken a step back from caring too much. Lost faith in the electorate.

I think he's best off ignoring twitter.

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8 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

or maybe he said all that to win the leadership...

Possibly. But why not judge on him on what he has said rather than a fear he is lying? Otherwise there’s no point saying anything. 

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Last polling I saw for Labour voters opinions of Kier had him on 77% approve and 6% disapprove. The twitter hardliners/outriders (Ash Sarkar, Aaron Bastani, Matt Zarb) really represent and incredibly small slice of the labour movement - they just shout the loudest into their own echo chamber. 

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54 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

...but in the end, this is one of the reasons labour won't win. Too divided. Tories were divided as fuck over brexit, but when it came to the crunch they did what they had to do to win.

To be fair they did that by kicking out anyone who didn't agree, it wasn't like they all came together over it in the end.

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I recently donated to a gofundme started by a former labour activist to support Corbyn’s legal fund in his fight against John Ware et al. It has raised well over £300k from tens of thousands of donors. Corbynism had and has the backing of more people than some on here and in the PLP are willing to admit.

Starmer will need them too. But I do think he can probably count more on those votes sticking around - certainly in the US, biden might not be the lefts first choice but after a term on trump anyone will do - and then focus on hoovering up lib dem, soft tory voters. 

I’m reserving judgement on Keir Starmer myself but I do believe the challenges of the modern age require radical and imaginitive solutions which centrist administrations are less inclined to pursue.

Its not clear what Starmer stands for but early moves suggest he is more for placating the centrist faction over the progressive faction. If this is reflected in the eventual manifesto and shadow cabinet reshuffles ahead of the next election, I will be voting green.
 

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10 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I recently donated to a gofundme started by a former labour activist to support Corbyn’s legal fund in his fight against John Ware et al. It has raised well over £300k from tens of thousands of donors. Corbynism had and has the backing of more people than some on here and in the PLP are willing to admit.

Starmer will need them too. But I do think he can probably count more on those votes sticking around - certainly in the US, biden might not be the lefts first choice but after a term on trump anyone will do - and then focus on hoovering up lib dem, soft tory voters. 

I’m reserving judgement on Keir Starmer myself but I do believe the challenges of the modern age require radical and imaginitive solutions which centrist administrations are less inclined to pursue.

Its not clear what Starmer stands for but early moves suggest he is more for placating the centrist faction over the progressive faction. If this is reflected in the eventual manifesto and shadow cabinet reshuffles ahead of the next election, I will be voting green.
 

lets pay the legal fees of a millionaire being sued for calling a jounralist biased....

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20 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

I recently donated to a gofundme started by a former labour activist to support Corbyn’s legal fund in his fight against John Ware et al. It has raised well over £300k from tens of thousands of donors. Corbynism had and has the backing of more people than some on here and in the PLP are willing to admit.

Starmer will need them too. But I do think he can probably count more on those votes sticking around - certainly in the US, biden might not be the lefts first choice but after a term on trump anyone will do - and then focus on hoovering up lib dem, soft tory voters. 

I’m reserving judgement on Keir Starmer myself but I do believe the challenges of the modern age require radical and imaginitive solutions which centrist administrations are less inclined to pursue.

Its not clear what Starmer stands for but early moves suggest he is more for placating the centrist faction over the progressive faction. If this is reflected in the eventual manifesto and shadow cabinet reshuffles ahead of the next election, I will be voting green.
 

What a waste of money. The guy has more than enough money to fund any legal defence - why not donate to a local food bank instead?

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23 minutes ago, mattiloy said:

Corbynism had and has the backing of more people than some on here and in the PLP are willing to admit.

Corbynism is dead as a movement. He has always been unelectable in this country. The sooner people move on from that the better. 
 

He tried and failed badly against the biggest joke of a government seen in decades if not ever. 
 

His ideas might work in a land of fairytales and unicorns but here in the real world his methodology of governance will never get a look in. 
 

You’ve got more chance of turning a lion vegan than getting Corbyn in power. 

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