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Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 

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Anyway in other news it’s good to see the testing capacity being used ... I’ve always wondered why we have so much spare capacity ... a proactive approach seems sensible ... the ons study is to small for me still though ... surely we should be testing more and earlier in these outbreak areas 

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8 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 

Totally understand and to start they are not the easiest ... I started slowly and increased the time I wore them over a period of a couple of weeks before they became mandatory and a bit of wear at home ... now second nature although I can’t figure out the glasses and shield steaming up however many techniques from the Internet I try :) 

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We had compulsory mask wearing in work for a couple of weeks and it was awful, social distancing went out the window due to difficulty in communicating in a noisy environment and people were forever touching and adjusting their masks; I need specs for VDU use and every time I hopped on to a workstation it meant a minute of fiddling with specs and mask to be able to see. Thankfully, a more pragmatic "you must wear a mask if you cannot maintain a 2m distance" was introduced.

Personally I would be against compulsory masks in the workplace unless social distancing is not possible in which case fair enough.  

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1 hour ago, zahidf said:

Or... the Tories were around 700 votes away in the right places toa  majority govt without the DUP

 

Its fine to have an ideology, but Jez's one lost. time to move on

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

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6 minutes ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir

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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

A lot of those voters were willing to give Jez a chance in 2017 but not in 2019. I dont really see th epoint in alienating them and other voters lost in 2019 to keep the 6% of Labour members who dont like Keir

Do you think Corbyn's policies got more socialist between 2017 and 2019? 

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9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

@merkin79 @replica care to add anything to the discussion ? 

 

1 hour ago, crazyfool1 said:

I’m prepared to do absolutely everything to protect others as much of a pain and as uncomfortable as it is ... but that’s me !! 

Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. 

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8 minutes ago, replica said:

 

Because of the downvote? Can't you see why it might get downvoted? It just comes off as self-aggrandising exaggeration. 

Ah fair enough .. just the truth ... I’ll buy you a pint on the farm and you can meet me and see ... also worth looking at the post it’s in response to ... 

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1 hour ago, DeanoL said:

Yeah it was a close election. That was my point. I genuinely think that if the party as a whole had got behind Corbyn just for the three months around the election, not practically downed tools, or redirected campaigning funds away from viable target seats to seats with non-Corbynite candidates, we would have had Corbyn as PM.

It's done now, it's far too late, I just think it's wrong to suggest that a Corbyn win was always impossible. It's especially galling when you look at the votes needed in those target seats and see that some of them were places where funding was diverted away from into seats where Labour genuinely stood no chance, by people within the party that preferred the idea of a Tory win than a Corbyn win. The leaked report is out there, if you want to read it. This isn't made up stuff, this happened, and has been mostly covered up. Nothing we can do about it now anyway. 

As to moving on, isn't that the point? We don't want those people to move on? We want to keep them as Labour voters?

it would have been tricky building that coalition...especially with lib dems.

Labour need to win back people who switched from labour to tory for first time...and then on top of that need to somehow persuade a whole bunch of tory/snp voters to vote for them. It's a massive ask whoever is in charge. I think labour could well be out of power for ages, especially if Scotland goes its own way which at moment is looking possible.

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1 hour ago, JoeyT said:

Not sure what I'd do if masks were made compulsory in my firm.

I travel between 6 offices across the city and find wearing a mask to go in shops quite overwhelming in terms of them making me feel claustrophobic so to wear one for 8 hours a day gets a no from me. 


Agreed... I’m happy to wear a mask to protect myself and others, but I find them sufficiently uncomfortable that I’d rather just avoid situations when they’re necessary, so for now I’m mainly shopping online and I’d choose to prolong my WFH period if my office mandated masks. Company policy atm is to wear a face covering when coming in and out, and walking around the office, but don’t need to wear one at our desks, but our office hasn’t actually reopened yet so we’ll see if it becomes any stricter when they actually do reopen 

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My work policy is wear masks when you’re working within 2 metres of someone. Office and canteens have been rearranged to give people space so masks don’t need to be worn throughout the day. I actually have my own office now which is nice. Different rules on the shopfloor, almost everyone has to be masked up although it’s the bare minimum of compliance, most are barely covering their faces including supervisors who are supposed to be setting the example. 

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55 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said:


Agreed... I’m happy to wear a mask to protect myself and others, but I find them sufficiently uncomfortable that I’d rather just avoid situations when they’re necessary, so for now I’m mainly shopping online and I’d choose to prolong my WFH period if my office mandated masks.

You really like to act like wearing a mask is such a hardship don't you!

It's literally a bit of cloth on your face. I could easily wear one for work for a whole shift if needed, just think about all the intensive care workers who have to wear more PPE than us and they manage just fine, don't really think its such a burden to be honest.

I'm not really talking about offices here, the key places where masks should be mandated are for public-facing jobs such as shop workers, restaurant workers, bar and pub workers, barber workers etc. We have already seen that there can be outbreaks between staff in supermarkets or in pubs between the workers as there is no form of mitigation as staff don't social distance.

Even more important is factory workers to be supplied with PPE and that PPE to be mandated in and around the factory. We've already seen with the sandwich factory, dessert factory, on the farm; these settings are very significant places where virus outbreaks are occurring and PPE should be mandated in and around those settings.

Offices are less important, they don't seem to be such a major contributor to outbreaks, but it would make sense for masks to be mandatory when moving around the office but can take off when sat at your desk, the exact same policy as which should be implemented in pubs and restaurants but blindly hasn't been.

I am pretty confident Matt Hancock will do a u-turn on this one and there will be an uproar, give it 4 weeks and the policy will be reversed and supermarket and factory workers will need PPE. Once cases start spiking again they will have no choice but to take action.

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19 minutes ago, zahidf said:

812 cases today. Fourth day in a row when cases are lower than last week

Yay!

I reckon a lot of these cases being registered are imported from other countries.

People from the college I went to last year just went to split in Croatia and have been partying at all these nightclubs, no social distancing whatsoever etc. They have just come back the other day and now they all have coronavirus and are all doing a 2 week self isolation. I'm pretty confident that the government will add Croatia to the quarantine list come tomorrow as I think there are definitely lots of British tourists going out there and partying and bringing cases back in. You have to be tested on arrival to Croatia and they were all negative, so they definitely picked the virus up whilst on their holiday as we can all see the cases are escalating. 

Just really makes you think why would anyone want to put them in a mass gathering situation now; the chances of getting the virus are so high in those situations. I'll stick to my socially distant meals out and socially distant coast holiday next week.

 

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5 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

People from the college I went to last year just went to split in Croatia and have been partying at all these nightclubs, no social distancing whatsoever etc. They have just come back the other day and now they all have coronavirus and are all doing a 2 week self isolation. I'm pretty confident that the government will add Croatia to the quarantine list come tomorrow as I think there are definitely lots of British tourists going out there and partying and bringing cases back in. You have to be tested on arrival to Croatia and they were all negative, so they definitely picked the virus up whilst on their holiday as we can all see the cases are escalating. 

Just really makes you think why would anyone want to put them in a mass gathering situation now; the chances of getting the virus are so high in those situations. I'll stick to my socially distant meals out and socially distant coast holiday next week.

 

I don’t think we’ve got a lot right as a country but it really beggars belief other countries have nightclubs open. Enclosed spaces, loud music leading to shouting, alcohol leading to poorer judgement; It just seems like a no brainier to keep them shut.

Or maybe I’m just a grumpy old man who never liked them anyway.

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9 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

I reckon a lot of these cases being registered are imported from other countries.

I think come September and once the traditional summer holiday period ends we could see a decrease in cases, there are countries that have seen a growth in cases much faster than ours that haven't implemented quarantines which I think may leave them in a worse situation so hopefully the cases continue to decline or stay below the previous weeks 

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