When will this shit end?

[steviewevie]

petty and grim.

[fred quimby]

5 minutes ago, BobWillis said:

What war is there in France? 

Strange post

[Ozanne]

I can’t see this ending well.

[Crazyfool01]

20 minutes ago, BobWillis said:

What war is there in France? 

Where are they fleeing from ? For clarity where were they born ? 

Edited August 12, 2020 by crazyfool1

[Ryan1984]

 

[Zoo Music Girl]

2 hours ago, FestivalJamie said:

Oh it’s not a problem at all, by nature I am quite a “stressful” person, I always get nervous before exams, sporting competitions etc, but I do have to admit life at the moment for me is a different kind of tension to any of that before.

I can’t say I’m particularly nervous about the health implications to myself, I’m 19 and have no health conditions, but at the same time I wouldn’t want to end up with long term lung damage or the like that this virus could be causing.

One of the reasons for my such cautious and worried perspective is that my aunt had it really awfully back in April and has been having relapses since. She has practically told me to not do anything inside as she says that risks are virtually zero outside but really quite increased once you go indoors due to poor ventilation- she is worried about catching the virus again and having it worse than the first time; she says she’s always wanted to climb Everest but now she doesn’t think she will ever be able to do that as the virus has given her breathing difficulties which make it harder to exercise.

Im worried about my mum, she has breathing problems and is worried about that meaning she could get seriously ill from the virus, but my dad is insistent that he’s had the virus and if he has then we would have all been asymptomatic anyway, but not sure about that as this was back at the end of January (although it was circulating back then).

I think I’m also worried about me being the cause of community spread. If I flout  distancing guidelines and I’m an asymptomatic carrier, I could be the cause of someone else hospitalisation. To me that’s a pretty scary thought, and it’s why I'm so vigilant about social distancing, mask wearing and hand hygiene, and I get extremely annoyed when people don’t bother with any of those things as it’s not only putting themselves at risk, I just feel like it’s putting other more vulnerable people at risk if the virus gets out of control again.

Also the fact we have the highest death toll in Europe doesn’t reassure me that the government will be able to handle an increase in cases like we are currently experiencing. Maybe if I was living in germany I would be more relaxed as I have more trust in Angela merkel and the death rates are so much lower, but I just feel like in england there is nothing stopping the virus running out of control again and killing thousands more people and destroying the economy. I feel like I have to do my bit to stop this virus running out of control. If we all stop bothering to social distance, then we will end up back at square one.

I don’t know, it’s a weird one for me, I’m not nervous about myself, just nervous about how my actions and others actions could affect someone else I guess. It’s a really complicated one for me. I’m worried about my grandma and my great aunt too, but my grandma is socialising more than me and technically breaking guidelines, but then I feel a need to make sure I’m doing everything I can to protect her. It’s a really difficult situation.

At the end of the day health and economy are linked. Back in March the government were fixated on economy, so the healthcare system completely collapsed. Then the economy collapsed with it. If we have another serious outbreak they both need to be controlled. If you don’t manage the health of the public, the economy will also fall with it. If we reach 5000 daily cases or the like, I’m sure lots of people will voluntarily stop going out unless they have to, so the economy will fall even if the healthcare system isn’t overwhelmed.

Keep cases low, the economy can thrive. They are linked, and therefore the gov should be doing everything they can to suppress the virus. We never even managed to get cases anywhere near as low as Italy, germany and Spain did (before resurgence) so I don’t have much confidence we can put it to bed now and get the economy running again.

 

That's really shit about your aunt. I do hope she sees some improvement soon so she doesn't have to give up on her dreams.

For what it's worth I think you have the right attitude. Protecting other people is a noble goal.

[Zoo Music Girl]

1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said:

This is kinda where I'm at with it - I think it's just a little early to decide that it's all over ahead of winter. People are in a false sense of security because it's summer and that while we MIGHT be wrong about what happens when everyone moves everything inside, and is less healthy in general (remember the Vitamin D debate?) surely we should be exercising some caution. Which many are and I'm happy with that. 

Though I'll freely admit I don't want to risk those long term effects as much as I don't want to spread it to people who'll get it worse.

Now if we were told "right there will be no vaccine, we're dealing with this now" then I'd change my mind on it. I'd take the risks, and we'd treat this like the flu - where lots of people sadly die from it each year, and yes a lot get those long term effects too, but we don't get a daily death count.  

But if the vaccine comes in soon (as is most likely by the sounds of it) that reduces the most severe effects, and also that time giving them a bit longer to develop even better treatments or research EXACTLY who is at risk of getting those long term symptoms and why (beyond just "age" and "pre existing conditions". And there is always the miracle option like what happened to SARS etc.  

I end up asking myself is it really worth taking lots risks just for the sake of a little bit longer to get either the solution or the evidence that its safe? There is actually a good chance of an end in sight even if it doesn't feel like it day to day sometimes. 

Personally none of the activities I enjoy doing are allowed anyway, and  I've already vowed never to spend as much as I did in pubs again after the amount I've saved. A whole summer of festivals cancelled, foreign travel sounding extremely unappealing and the more standard indoor gigs feel like a long way off. So why not just preserve my health (and money!) for when those things are available again?

Obviously others are different, and people who's mental health suffers from not doing normal things need to socialise, need a change of scene etc and I get that, but that's what masks and distancing are for.  I may meet up with friends in outdoor environments but it's fair to say I'm not desperate for a Nandos...

But then I suppose the more of us who are being cautious, the more the economy dies and I accept that will kill more people than the virus. It's a difficult one - normality does need to come back and yesterday. Especially as our "self imposed trade sanctions" are coming in January.  I am pretty conflicted on that side of things, but as said above my own usual contributions to the economy aren't exactly available, and I'm not just wasting my money on some shitty fast food instead

I absolutely agree with all this. As you say if a vaccine is coming it makes sense to wait a bit longer. My 2020 has basically been written off, going to the pub isn't going to massively turn things around for me. I can continue as I am for a bit longer and see what happens in the autumn when meeting people outside is no longer viable.

The other thing for me is that with the recession now officially on and Brexit round the corner I need to think aboit saving a bit of cash in case I find myself out of work in 2021.

[Leyrulion]

2 hours ago, FestivalJamie said:

As a whole, over the last few weeks I believe the positive rate has remained similar.

But over the last few days testing has remained relatively constant but cases have been increasing, which to me signals a slight rise in cases.

Couldn't testing locations have changed? So less testing where there are no cases, with capacity moving to detect more cases in hotspots. 

[steviewevie]

https://www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2020/08/12/the-refugee-crisis-is-fake-the-culture-war-isn-t

[steviewevie]

 

[zahidf]

Unless deaths/hospital admissions massively increase, i think it will take more than a small increase in infections for another national lockdown to happen

Also, DONT VAPE

Vaping may be associated with a five to seven times increased risk of Covid-19 among US teenagers and young adults, a study published on Tuesday suggests.

Researchers at the Stanford University School of Medicine analysed nationally representative survey data collected in May from 4,351 participants aged 13-24 years.

The findings were published in the Journal of Adolescent Health.

“Young people may believe their age protects them from contracting the virus or that they will not experience symptoms of Covid-19, but the data show this isn’t true among those who vape,” study leader Shivani Mathur Gaiha said.

[whitehorses]

3 hours ago, DeanoL said:

You wouldn't see evidence of what people are doing in their homes for obvious reasons...

Ok, sorry, I should have been more specific. *All* my near neighbours are having people round all the time. We haven’t had people in our house, we have in the garden, but that’s mainly cos I’m an unsociable bastard and this has been a wonderful opportunity to not be a host

[zeppelin]

Did my first nose and throat swab as part of the ONS study today. Unfortunately don't get results for three weeks as it's not part of the standard 24hr process. They're coming back to do it again the next four weeks. 

[Crazyfool01]

so @FestivalJamie whilst I am very much agreement with your sentiments about protecting others and ive been doing the same and im also very nervous about doing stuff , I feel now that a balance needs to be achieved and I need to tentatively start doing some stuff or this virus is going to make me become a quivering nervous wreck and my head is going to be hit so hard I will stuggle with socialising for a good while to come ... so its time for me to make some tentative and careful steps back towards the normal , whilst assesing as I go .... I think this is important for you to think about too .... although I could be off the mark ..... good luck 

[FestivalJamie]

1 hour ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

That's really shit about your aunt. I do hope she sees some improvement soon so she doesn't have to give up on her dreams.

For what it's worth I think you have the right attitude. Protecting other people is a noble goal.

Thank you. It’s nice to hear someone say that as all my friends are encouraging me to the pub and saying it will be “fine” and what not- no one seems to care about social distancing anymore around me.

[Ozanne]

U.K. figures for 12th August. Patients in mechanical ventilators are up 5 to 70 in the last 24 hours. 

[zahidf]

22 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

so @FestivalJamie whilst I am very much agreement with your sentiments about protecting others and ive been doing the same and im also very nervous about doing stuff , I feel now that a balance needs to be achieved and I need to tentatively start doing some stuff or this virus is going to make me become a quivering nervous wreck and my head is going to be hit so hard I will stuggle with socialising for a good while to come ... so its time for me to make some tentative and careful steps back towards the normal , whilst assesing as I go .... I think this is important for you to think about too .... although I could be off the mark ..... good luck 

good luck with it mate. 

[zahidf]

18 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

U.K. figures for 12th August. Patients in mechanical ventilators are up 5 to 70 in the last 24 hours. 

WOnder if the heat is a factor? 

[zahidf]

22 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Thank you. It’s nice to hear someone say that as all my friends are encouraging me to the pub and saying it will be “fine” and what not- no one seems to care about social distancing anymore around me.

Dont do anything which makes you feel unsafe. I probably wouldnt stay in and read up about infection rates though!

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, zahidf said:

WOnder if the heat is a factor? 

As more people are inside?

[zahidf]

1 minute ago, Ozanne said:

As more people are inside?

oh, as in pollen and humidity effecting people more

 

probably not tbh

[Crazyfool01]

8 minutes ago, zahidf said:

good luck with it mate. 

Thanks ... I was thinking about a distraction technique I use with nieces and  nephews when they were upset and I think it’s time to start using similar on myself and try to stop me overthinking this too much ... definately time to do things that I enjoyed 6 months or so ago ... but maybe in a slightly more cautious fashion  

[FestivalJamie]

35 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said:

so @FestivalJamie whilst I am very much agreement with your sentiments about protecting others and ive been doing the same and im also very nervous about doing stuff , I feel now that a balance needs to be achieved and I need to tentatively start doing some stuff or this virus is going to make me become a quivering nervous wreck and my head is going to be hit so hard I will stuggle with socialising for a good while to come ... so its time for me to make some tentative and careful steps back towards the normal , whilst assesing as I go .... I think this is important for you to think about too .... although I could be off the mark ..... good luck 

No you are exactly right, we seem to be in the exact same position.

Im thinking about doing a seaside holiday at the end of august with a friend. I’m nervous but it might be good for me to start easing back into life again.

Good luck to you as well, hopefully we can both make some progress to improve our mental health.

[zahidf]

Russia has said the first batch of the world’s first Covid-19 vaccine would be rolled out within two weeks and rejected as “groundless” safety concerns aired by some experts over Moscow’s rapid approval of the drug.

[Crazyfool01]

3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

No you are exactly right, we seem to be in the exact same position.

Im thinking about doing a seaside holiday at the end of august with a friend. I’m nervous but it might be good for me to start easing back into life again.

Good luck to you as well, hopefully we can both make some progress to improve our mental health.

There’s no doubt about it ... we will  and the same to you ... and yes do the seaside holiday and get out and about if you can ... starting with quieter places and things you did prior to the pandemic that you can try to adapt into a safer way