DeanoL Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 53 minutes ago, whitehorses said: @DeanoLseems like you’re not actually reading my replies where I say I’m agreeing with you. So there’s really no sense in continuing this convo. I’ll pray for you. In some cases on internet forums, quoting a post doesn't mean replying directly to you or starting an argument, it's just taking a point you make a commenting/expanding on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 41 minutes ago, DeanoL said: In some cases on internet forums, quoting a post doesn't mean replying directly to you or starting an argument, it's just taking a point you make a commenting/expanding on it. Fair enough. Your reply reads as though you didn’t actually acknowledge what I was saying and because of that assembled a bit of a straw man around it. As for the praying thing, I’m not sure. Some people’s recovery from illness can be credited - by them - as being because of their relationship with ‘god’. Similarly true of notions of ‘fighting’. Which is why we express ‘fighting’ as a verb for how we try and beat illness. It doesn’t matter if you or I don’t believe in ‘god’, it can still be important for the person. The thing with saying ‘praying’ in these things - to me - is that it validates this idea in a space where I think it doesn’t belong. In a funny kind of way I would almost rather they said “Boris’s relationship with god will help him” rather than “we’ll pray for him”. As that at least would be referring to Boris’ personal beliefs not a collective idea about ‘we’ll pray’ edit: no idea if BoJo belueves in all that stuff, so may be bad example. Edited April 8, 2020 by whitehorses Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 minutes ago, steviewevie said: wtf ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, shoptildrop said: I remember this article at the time and my thoughts were thus will spread like wildfire through China due to Chinese New year movement of millions of people.. WHO announced this as an public health emergency on 30th Jan and our 1st case in UK 31st Jan. Hindsight is a wonderful thing, but I think most the criticism will be why the government did prepare enough during all of Feb. Especially when the clusters started popping up around Europe. It was already here from Jan and would only be a matter of time until it got bigger. As you say though most folk weren't taking it that seriously as it wasn't here, most of my colleagues were downplaying or calling it nonsense even in mid-march which amazed be tbh I read a great article about Everton's Chief Executive - she apparently saw what was blindingly clear in January and the club had a plan for what eventually happened by the end of the month. The staff all had software installed for home working etc. Great leadership and foresight. https://theathletic.com/1721173/2020/04/03/denise-barrett-baxendale-everton-coronavirus?source=shared-article - it's a subscription site but everyone can read one free article a month (highly recommended if you like in depth football articles- it's more like 442 Magazine in digital form than a tabloid sports section). I know we're not in a position to criticise but reading this you really do feel that we could've been more prepared as a country. It feels like the government only took it seriously when people insisted they did, rather than leading and telling them it was serious. Edited April 8, 2020 by efcfanwirral 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E. Spliff Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Whilst I understand why people get irritated with terminology like 'fighting' disease and being prayed for whether they want it or not, to me language around death is always going to be clumsy and inadequate. I can't get too excited about it as it just forms part of a backdrop of language irritations, e.g. interviewees on the radio starting every answer with 'so' or people inexplicably believing they've become management consultants and using the term 'going forwards' as though it were going out of fashion. You'll definitely end up bitter and twisted if you try to right these perceived wrongs against the English language. The best response is just to see the comedy in our use of language and I think the great Norm Macdonald takes the prize when it comes to the concept of 'battling' terminal illness: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 @Mark E. Spliffcompletely agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 hour ago, Mark E. Spliff said: Whilst I understand why people get irritated with terminology like 'fighting' disease and being prayed for whether they want it or not, to me language around death is always going to be clumsy and inadequate. I'm prepared to forgive Raab his choice of words as clumsy and inadequate. But that doesn't alter the fact that there was a nasty inference from the words that he used. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 7 minutes ago, Neil said: I'm prepared to forgive Raab his choice of words as clumsy and inadequate. But that doesn't alter the fact that there was a nasty inference from the words that he used. Yup. It's a long standing issue when talking about cancer though: the terminology of winning/fighting. It's a general linguistic thing for all deadly diseases which needs to change imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark E. Spliff Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Neil said: I'm prepared to forgive Raab his choice of words as clumsy and inadequate. But that doesn't alter the fact that there was a nasty inference from the words that he used. I'll be honest with you: I haven't paid much attention to this particular controversy over his use of words here. It won't have appeared on my radar because it holds about as much significance to me as being told Hitler used to be an inattentive driver. Edited April 8, 2020 by Mark E. Spliff 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brave Sir Robin Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 This is a really good article on the timeline of what we knew when, and how we responded: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-health-coronavirus-britain-path-speci-idUSKBN21P1VF Sounds as if some of the scientists are as much, or more, to blame than the govt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 I mean, we have argued about semantics, but the main problem with the press conference was that it was confusing as all fuck and Raab is miles out of his depth. Both skill wise and morals wise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 1 minute ago, whitehorses said: I mean, we have argued about semantics, but the main problem with the press conference was that it was confusing as all fuck and Raab is miles out of his depth. Both skill wise and morals wise. For a man who ran for leader, he looked terrified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whitehorses Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 @stuartbert two hatshe sure did... Hancock and Rishi way slicker and believable Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 17 minutes ago, whitehorses said: @stuartbert two hatshe sure did... Hancock and Rishi way slicker and believable Still surprising that Rishi has been named Raab's successor rather than Gove. Although I suppose Gove is in isolation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 22 hours ago, steviewevie said: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/07/uk-will-be-europes-worst-hit-by-coronavirus-study-predicts 21 hours ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said: Italy went into lockdown with 800 deaths, we went in to lockdown with less than half of that. This report makes no sense. We've now exceeded Italy's highest daily deaths with most estimates that we're at least a week away from our peak. Wouldn't surprise me if this report is accurate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 UK hospital deaths up to 938 to 7097. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Chancellor up - it feels like he's going to announce something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 More support for charities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deaf Nobby Burton Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, stuartbert two hats said: We've now exceeded Italy's highest daily deaths with most estimates that we're at least a week away from our peak. Wouldn't surprise me if this report is accurate Not sure that’s true, yet. Italy hit 971 deaths on 28/03. I can’t reconcile how Italy will hit 20k deaths and well hit 60k. Edited April 8, 2020 by Deaf Nobby Burton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 2 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said: Not sure that’s true, yet. Italy hit 971 deaths on 28/03. I can’t reconcile how Italy will hit 20k deaths and well hit 60k. Oh, I thought you were just questioning whether we would have it worse than Italy at all - three times does seem on the high side, I agree - but that's the thing with exponential numbers - you only have to overshoot by a little bit to have many X times the deaths. They're just not intuitive how big the end results can be from relatively small differences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oxygentleman Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 Considering the population density of the uk & more specifically England compared to a lot of Europe, I'd expect our fatality rates to be atleast double that of Italy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smeble Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 11 hours ago, DeanoL said: The NHS are working brilliantly to help him. Because it's the NHS who will help people, not victims "fighting". Not strictly true. There are plenty of studies that show the attitude of the patient is important. I realise the country is on a mission to deify anyone who works for the NHS but they basically keep people alive whilst the body fights the disease. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 wtf Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lycra Posted April 8, 2020 Report Share Posted April 8, 2020 (edited) 10'clock news reports Boris is sitting up in bed.........Mrs Lycra quips "On a respiratory unit only the dead are allowed to lie down" Made me smile Edited April 8, 2020 by Lycra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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