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3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

I've maintained the whole time that the government will decide we're living with the virus at some point, perhaps ahead of the Christmas economic rush, and stopping furlough completely indicates end of October for that. Could involve saliva tests and rules like masks, but no furlough at all means they have to remove those restrictions or those unemployment figures will be even higher.

Unless those industries will be sacrificed completely - music especially doesn't fit with Tory beliefs and probably turns more people onto politics who might be left leaning so that wouldn't be a surprise either.

I wouldn't go to any gigs until there's a vaccine or treatment, but there are plenty who would

They're talking about shutting pubs etc to allow for schools to reopen. No way will they risk gigs. I agree that they want the economy to get going, get people spending, but gigs, night clubs and stuff will surely be the last to reopen, unless they can totally ensure social distancing inside venues. Maybe they will throw more money at certain venues and industries to help prevent them going under.

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13 hours ago, Matt42 said:

But if it stays like this I really do wonder how many companies are going to seriously reconsider their leases.

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

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1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Industry collapse it is then - ideologically it would be a bad look for them to help one industry and let other people be made redundant. People are on their own from November

Unfortunately maybe that’s what they’ve decided. 

With flu season coming this winter it will take even less than the first wave to overwhelm the NHS, there is absolutely no chance of any mass gatherings this Christmas. I think we will be honestly lucky to see our families on Christmas Day. 

The best I can see is live music/comedy/theatre happen with socially distanced audiences and everyone wearing masks. At the absolute best. There’s no possibility for outdoor live music in the winter and indoor standing concerts in cramped spaces just aren’t possible with the risks to the NHS, the health of the public, the wider economy and the impression of the government that they pose.

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1 minute ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

Maybe governmet will have incentives for employers and employees to stop the work from home thing...not sure what though.

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3 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

Unfortunately maybe that’s what they’ve decided. 

With flu season coming this winter it will take even less than the first wave to overwhelm the NHS, there is absolutely no chance of any mass gatherings this Christmas. I think we will be honestly lucky to see our families on Christmas Day. 

The best I can see is live music/comedy/theatre happen with socially distanced audiences and everyone wearing masks. At the absolute best. There’s no possibility for outdoor live music in the winter and indoor standing concerts in cramped spaces just aren’t possible with the risks to the NHS, the health of the public, the wider economy and the impression of the government that they pose.

So, not all bad news then.

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2 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

I always get triggered by this 😂

Many jobs that could be outsourced don't need a pandemic to help employers work that out. They could've always done this. Many office jobs take specialist qualifications and training - they aren't all just getting by on presenteeism 

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The Office for National Statistics has released its weekly report on the coronavirus and the social impacts on Great Britain.

The main findings are:

  • Almost all adults (96%) who had left their homes said they had worn a face covering to slow the spread of the coronavirus – an increase from 84% last week and 71% the week before.
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2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

The Office for National Statistics has released its weekly report on the coronavirus and the social impacts on Great Britain.

The main findings are:

  • Almost all adults (96%) who had left their homes said they had worn a face covering to slow the spread of the coronavirus – an increase from 84% last week and 71% the week before.

That’s good! And in all indoor public settings from tomorrow!

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10 minutes ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

Have you any experience with outsourcing?

I see comments like this thrown around quite a lot recently. I'd imagine most people who say things like this know very little about how it actually works...

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2 minutes ago, northernringo said:

Have you any experience with outsourcing?

I see comments like this thrown around quite a lot recently. I'd imagine most people who say things like this know very little about how it actually works...

No direct experience, no. 

I just know it happens a lot. And I know some of the biggest companies on the planet do it. 

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6 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

EWouldn't be surprised if the guidance on wearing masks was expanded in the coming months, including wearing them outside in town centres etc...already seeing that abroad.

If cases rise as fast as they are in Europe I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the case.

I do wonder about the effectiveness of masks outside though, we know they play a big role in reducing transmission in enclosed spaces but what about outside when the risks of transmission are lowered anyway? I suppose you can never take too many precautions.

Perhaps in the winter when temperatures drop masks outside in busy town centres will be even more important when there’s risk of both coronavirus and flu transmission.

I always wear my mask in any enclosed space, and sometimes outside too, but not always consistently outside. I would wear it consistently outside if I had to, I just wonder on the benefits of wearing them outdoors compared to indoors. We know there are such huge benefits of masking inside, I just don’t know how that compares when wearing them outdoors.

I personally think the next step regarding masks would be mandating them for workers in enclosed spaces, pubs, restaurants, shops, cinemas etc. This is the next step the gov need to take regarding masks. Perhaps the step after that when temps start to drop, if cases rise then maybe they will be mandated in busy city centres.

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2 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

If cases rise as fast as they are in Europe I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the case.

I do wonder about the effectiveness of masks outside though, we know they play a big role in reducing transmission in enclosed spaces but what about outside when the risks of transmission are lowered anyway? I suppose you can never take too many precautions.

Perhaps in the winter when temperatures drop masks outside in busy town centres will be even more important when there’s risk of both coronavirus and flu transmission.

I always wear my mask in any enclosed space, and sometimes outside too, but not always consistently outside. I would wear it consistently outside if I had to, I just wonder on the benefits of wearing them outdoors compared to indoors. We know there are such huge benefits of masking inside, I just don’t know how that compares when wearing them outdoors.

I'm sure it would only be in busy areas, town centres, some parks and beaches etc. Anyway, might not happen, but is elsewhere.

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3 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

I'm sure it would only be in busy areas, town centres, some parks and beaches etc. Anyway, might not happen, but is elsewhere.

Yep it’s happened in France, Italy and spain(certain regions). Can’t rule it out happening here too, I would certainly comply to the restrictions if it did. I normally will wear one in busy town centres anyway, just wont wear one if going for a stroll around my local area as it’s normally a lot quieter.

But yes, for now, in enclosed spaces is the key.

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32 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

That’s good! And in all indoor public settings from tomorrow!

It's very impressive. I was surprised at 100% compliance from shoppers at the supermarket the other day. Just one staff member wasn't wearing one.

31 minutes ago, northernringo said:

Have you any experience with outsourcing?

I see comments like this thrown around quite a lot recently. I'd imagine most people who say things like this know very little about how it actually works...

It's a worrying and growing narrative and I can't quite work out where it's coming from overall. There are clearly some paid bots at work and then its being reinforced by Kirsty Alsopp etc, but is it the government doing that? 

They do seem against anything that might improve people's lives while working - see the "excluded uk" situation - that seems to show their contempt for self employed people (many of whom work from home) 

Im a freelancer and work remote from my clients - I do worry that we'll see some sort of discouragement of this over the coming years, they seem solely to be there to support big business. 

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30 minutes ago, FestivalJamie said:

If cases rise as fast as they are in Europe I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s the case.

I do wonder about the effectiveness of masks outside though, we know they play a big role in reducing transmission in enclosed spaces but what about outside when the risks of transmission are lowered anyway? I suppose you can never take too many precautions.

Perhaps in the winter when temperatures drop masks outside in busy town centres will be even more important when there’s risk of both coronavirus and flu transmission.

I always wear my mask in any enclosed space, and sometimes outside too, but not always consistently outside. I would wear it consistently outside if I had to, I just wonder on the benefits of wearing them outdoors compared to indoors. We know there are such huge benefits of masking inside, I just don’t know how that compares when wearing them outdoors.

I personally think the next step regarding masks would be mandating them for workers in enclosed spaces, pubs, restaurants, shops, cinemas etc. This is the next step the gov need to take regarding masks. Perhaps the step after that when temps start to drop, if cases rise then maybe they will be mandated in busy city centres.

I went to Bluewater shopping centre in Dartford yesterday, one of the biggest shopping centres in the country. Everything was well laid out with routes to follow, left and right paths etc, sanitiser at each shop front. BUT as approx 80% of people wore masks, i noticed that of the stores that i went in i reckon approx only 40% of store working actually wore masks. This can't be right surely? This was on a Thursday and i can imagine this weekend will be very much busier. With the footfall you'd expect it mandatory that employers be made to make their staff where protective masks.

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19 hours ago, steviewevie said:

going to depend on who's getting it...if younger people than won't see much of a rise in death rate...this is what we saw in Leicester..

 

And so it continues here in Leicester. Considering at one point recently we had more tests carried out than the rest of the UK. Looking at the figures and our ‘peak’ some 6/7 weeks ago this thankfully isn’t translating into hospital admissions/deaths. There was a report out yesterday from our local hospital trust that there are currently 18 patients in hospital with Covid19 and 3 in ICU. This seems quite low and was much higher in the earlier days before our peak (though I do appreciate there was much less testing then so who knows what the infection rate truly was?). The obvious worry was that although the age of positive cases was generally the younger population, which doesn’t lead to mass hospitalisation, that this would lead to infection of the older/more vulnerable. I think with the time lag since peak this would have shown by now. I’m taking this as positive news and hopefully this trend continues here and in the rest of the country even though the infection rate is slowly rising.

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1 hour ago, Henrik said:

Quite right! Why would any business waste money on office space when employees can do exactly the same job from home. 

But then the question will be why pay someone in London £18 an hour to work from home when someone in India can do exactly the same job for less than half the cost. 

Reputational risk will play a part, moving jobs from the U.K. will cause a lot of negative press. Plus there has been a drive in recent times to have more people on the U.K. on the end of the phone to customers. 

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Some good news for me ... our regional manager visited the store yesterday and amongst other things that were raised was the poor uptake on facemasks amongst colleagues ( don’t know if my emails have influenced this or not ) I had a meeting with my manager today and told him of my concerns .... and I was told that all colleagues that are not wearing them would be spoken to individually and either given a medical excempt badge or told to wear them :) although my issue with 2 people I absolutely know just refuse to wear them have become magically excempt and I see many just following this line :( as there is no way Asda will follow this up .... let’s see how things pan out over the next few days 

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