When will this shit end?

[efcfanwirral]

Just now, Cream Soda said:

If it was anything like the plan outlined by FR you a test would give you unlimited access to events etc for a period of time so I imagine it would be done like that with tests done before the event?  I really can't see them doing tests at the gate and turning people away

Is this an antibody test they're proposing? Otherwise it's bad enough testing at the gates (you could become symptomatic on the Thursday anyway) but antibodies is putting a huge amount of assumption on people being immune, though we might know more by then. 

[Cream Soda]

Just now, efcfanwirral said:

Is this an antibody test they're proposing? Otherwise it's bad enough testing at the gates (you could become symptomatic on the Thursday anyway) but antibodies is putting a huge amount of assumption on people being immune, though we might know more by then. 

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it was an antibody test, just a normal test to see if you have it or not.  That would then give you a month (I think it was) of access to events etc until you needed another test. That was the festival republic idea anyway.

[steviewevie]

9 minutes ago, zahidf said:

 

so what we need is more protests.

[efcfanwirral]

45 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

I'm not 100% sure but I don't think it was an antibody test, just a normal test to see if you have it or not.  That would then give you a month (I think it was) of access to events etc until you needed another test. That was the festival republic idea anyway.

Is that actually his plan? 😂 and we accuse the government of going against the science. You could get infected the day after the test ffs...

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Is that actually his plan? 😂 and we accuse the government of going against the science. You could get infected the day after the test ffs...

For general hospitality I think so, not sure how else they could do it without getting tested every single time you go out.  Maybe it would be different for a mass gathering like a festival.  Would they really have people trek down there and get turned away at the gate though?  

[Cream Soda]

9 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Is that actually his plan? 😂 and we accuse the government of going against the science. You could get infected the day after the test ffs...

So it says "Options include regularly bi-monthly tests for unfettered access to sector or immediately before a planned event in higher risk scenarios."  

[Ozanne]

I don't think the government will go with that recommendation, imagine the chaos on the gates of festivals all round the country if they are testing there. Maybe you do it the day before at home and register your result online?

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I don't think the government will go with that recommendation, imagine the chaos on the gates of festivals all round the country if they are testing there. Maybe you do it the day before at home and register your result online?

Yeah I agree it would be a nightmare doing it on the gate.  But then doing it any other way would be open to abuse.  You could grab a mate who you know has had the virus to do the test for you to ensure you got in...then you could have the virus and pass it to most of glastonbury.  Just makes me wonder if it will really go ahead while ever its that much of a risk that we need all these measures?  I wish the virus would just feck off so it wouldn't come to any of this

Edited June 26, 2020 by Cream Soda

[steviewevie]

they could have a separate area for those with the virus. Be really hardcore.

[Cream Soda]

Then there's the matter of staff and the acts..would they have to be tested too and what implications would there be if some key people tested positive...is any of this going to be worth the risk?

[steviewevie]

7 minutes ago, Cream Soda said:

Then there's the matter of staff and the acts..would they have to be tested too and what implications would there be if some key people tested positive...is any of this going to be worth the risk?

and they will have to ban any singing.

[squirrelarmy]

Relying on people to show valid test results on entry is never going to happen. Apart from the additional queuing time there will be a huge amount of hassle on all gates from people trying to get in without a test result. 
 

It will either be entry without restrictions or no festival at all. There is also no way they will allow the festival to he cancelled two years in a row. 

[Stretlow]

2 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Relying on people to show valid test results on entry is never going to happen. Apart from the additional queuing time there will be a huge amount of hassle on all gates from people trying to get in without a test result. 
 

It will either be entry without restrictions or no festival at all. There is also no way they will allow the festival to he cancelled two years in a row. 

They will if theres still tons dying from it....

i doubt it though, i think we'll be through it by then

[Cream Soda]

2 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

Relying on people to show valid test results on entry is never going to happen. Apart from the additional queuing time there will be a huge amount of hassle on all gates from people trying to get in without a test result. 
 

It will either be entry without restrictions or no festival at all. There is also no way they will allow the festival to he cancelled two years in a row. 

I think you might be right.  I kind of hope so aswell,  I want the festival to happen as much as anyone else, but I also just want it to be normal  

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, Stretlow said:

They will if theres still tons dying from it....

i doubt it though, i think we'll be through it by then

yeah, me too.

[Copperface]

6 minutes ago, squirrelarmy said:

There is also no way they will allow the festival to he cancelled two years in a row. 

Who is 'they'?

[steviewevie]

From Guardian Coronavirus bad news

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/26/more-young-people-infected-with-covid-19-as-cases-surge-globally

[steviewevie]

3 minutes ago, Copperface said:

Who is 'they'?

the lizards,

[Copperface]

Just now, steviewevie said:

the lizards,

Aha.

All is revealed.

 

[Radiochicken]

3 hours ago, Mark E. Spliff said:

The crime for which she's been sacked is anti-semitism.  She's completely innocent of that, as is Maxine Peake - regardless of the fact that they got it wrong about Israeli Security forces and neck-kneeling etc.

Corbyn was absolute rubbish and threw the general election away with his complete failure to handle Brexit.  But the anti-semitism stuff was a politically-motivated attack which they should have fought rather than caved-in to.  Because they didn't, we're now in a situation whereby Labour Leaders feel compelled to equate any criticism of Zionism and the right-wing drift of Israeli politics with anti-semitism.  It isn't.  When I was marching against the second Gulf War in 2003, I ended up being swallowed up by a large group of Jewish anti-zionist/anti-war protesters, who were scathing about the right-wing politics and zealotry which was taking hold of their country.  Many of the architects of the British Labour Party were radical left-wing Jews and it's unbelievable that the current leadership is now frightened to call out the pro-Trump, right-wing zealots who currently wield a frightening amount of influence in Israel for fear of being accused of anti-semitism.

I'm happy to support Starmer because it's necessary for victory - the majority of the electorate are basically morons who put empty slogans and haircuts before any true understanding of economics or politics.  However, is a victory built on capitulation to the extreme right worth winning?

To translate your last sentence into something not as exaggerated: “should you play the game you’re actually in - first past the post - to gain power to make positive change actually happen rather than let the “extreme right” win for decades?”

The answer is... yes.

[Mark E. Spliff]

3 hours ago, steviewevie said:

They brought up a conspiracy theory about Israel police and connected it to the killing of George Floyd and the whole black lives matter thing. This is completely different to critisizing Israel for it's foreign policy and how it treats palestinans. The Socialist Campaign Group yesterday published a letter doing just this, signed by all the corbynite bigwigs...and there was no accusations of antisemitism, nothing from Starmer or any Jewish groups. Because there is nothing wrong with that. But just making up shit cause it fits your agenda is maybe ok for a lefty actress, but the shadow education sec should know better.

I'm surprised they haven't blamed Israel for coronavirus yet.

Nobody is disagreeing that spreading false information and conspiracy theories is wrong.  My point is that attacking the state of Israel (even with conspiracy theories and downright lies) is not the same as anti-semitism, and the fact that it's become seen as such is a political victory for the right which Labour shouldn't have rolled over and let them win.

From what I've seen of Maxine Peake and Rebecca Long-Bailey, they seem like decent women who retweeted false information in good faith - i.e. they genuinely believed it, and retracted it when they found out they'd been had by politically-motivated trolls.  If every politician got sacked for making genuine mistakes, that would be an instant and absolute cure for social distancing at Party meetings.

3 minutes ago, Radiochicken said:

To translate your last sentence into something not as exaggerated: “should you play the game you’re actually in - first past the post - to gain power to make positive change actually happen rather than let the “extreme right” win for decades?”

The answer is... yes.

I agree.  I'd take Starmer over Corbyn any day as he can win.  I shouldn't have phrased my question as a binary choice between Starmer or standing up to the far right.  You can easily have both - the Labour party have a strong Jewish movement who're chomping at the bit to stand up and show the British public that criticising Israeli right-wing hardliners doesn't make you an anti-semite.

[Suprefan]

2 hours ago, steviewevie said:

so what we need is more protests.

What we need is everyone wearing masks and doing what they do. As its been rather clear, dumb people who are going to packed bars and having large family gatherings are the ones getting covid, not the ones who have a mask and are in an environment that isnt easy to spread if youre asymptomatic. 
 

texas and florida have closed bars now to try and slow down the spike. But of course they were in denial from the get go, now they pay the price.

[Ozanne]

U.K. data for today - https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk

[stuartbert two hats]

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Edited June 26, 2020 by stuartbert two hats

[stuartbert two hats]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Relying on people to show valid test results on entry is never going to happen. Apart from the additional queuing time there will be a huge amount of hassle on all gates from people trying to get in without a test result. 
 

It will either be entry without restrictions or no festival at all. There is also no way they will allow the festival to he cancelled two years in a row. 

It's not up to them.