mandolin Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 22 minutes ago, Barry Fish said: Personal responsibility for your own health and safety comes into play. If you feel that vulnerable then its a fair enough suggestion that you should probably avoid crowded indoor spaces. I fundamentally disagree with your selfish view point. Your health and well being is largely not my responsibility. I should be able to largely do as I please. You and others have to make your own choices on what level of risk you want to entertain. We are taking personal responsibility. And a large degree of social responsibility. Caring for others rather than the more selfish point of view. Other than that, I’m not biting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? Ordering a pint at the bar? Not having to keep a 1m distance? Meeting up with > 5 friends at a time? The case numbers going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 5 minutes ago, mandolin said: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext Don’t think it’s me that’s lacking the understanding. Where does that link mention 26% ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, mandolin said: We are taking personal responsibility. And a large degree of social responsibility. Caring for others rather than the more selfish point of view. Other than that, I’m not biting. I don't care about others. But I expect a certain level of personal responsibility from others as well. Don't go in the water if you can't swim style thinking. Rather than close all the pools or make everyone wear arm bands just in case you are stupid enough to go for that swim. Edited July 16, 2021 by Barry Fish 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheffJeff Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 37 minutes ago, mandolin said: Trouble is “relatively” isn’t good enough when there is a 26% chance that the vaccine won’t work for you (using your figures). 1 minute ago, Barry Fish said: Where does that link mention 26% ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 6 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? Ordering a pint at the bar? Not having to keep a 1m distance? Meeting up with > 5 friends at a time? Going to a theme park without having to wear a mask on rides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 Just now, SheffJeff said: Okay - but I am not sure how that link helped his point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 32 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? Ordering a pint at the bar? Not having to keep a 1m distance? Meeting up with > 5 friends at a time? Live music. Away days. Spontaneous nights out. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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efcfanwirral Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 39 minutes ago, Ozanne said: I hate to say it but they probably did the right thing stalling to let events cancel from a public health perspective. From a leadership perspective they should've just said no mass events this summer. I don't think gatherings will be lasting long! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) Everyone is shitting themselves about Mondays great unlocking!!! Lets play spot the mask 🙂 Hope not fear 🙂 Edited July 16, 2021 by Barry Fish 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, mandolin said: https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(21)00075-X/fulltext Don’t think it’s me that’s lacking the understanding. I think it is. And you lack the understanding of your own posts.... you literally just said there is a 26% chance vaccines don't work.... and then posted a random article that disproves your claim..... Brilliant. Love it. Keep up the good work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 55 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Is that attended with officially or attended with the hundreds that stormed the ground and the thousands they mixed with outside the ground? Haha hard to tell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elgatonegrofabricwardrobe Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? Ordering a pint at the bar? Not having to keep a 1m distance? Meeting up with > 5 friends at a time? Going to the match. Dancing at the Star and Garter. Meeting up with friends legally. Shaking hands legally. Leaving Manchester Academy buzzing, soaked in sweat but cold coz it's November. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 3 minutes ago, Havors said: I think it is. And you lack the understanding of your own posts.... you literally just said there is a 26% chance vaccines don't work.... and then posted a random article that disproves your claim..... Brilliant. Love it. Keep up the good work. The 26% was mentioned by Fuzzy Afro in his post which was quoted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Ozanne said: The 26% was mentioned by Fuzzy Afro in his post which was quoted. Really? Do I have to quote mandolin for you? She specifically said 26% Fuzzy was misunderstanding and then she just went even further from what I'm reading... Granted its late and I may be wrong but I dont think so. Edited July 16, 2021 by Havors Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 2 minutes ago, Havors said: Really? Do I have to quote mandolin for you? She specifically said 26% Fuzzy was misunderstanding and then she just went even further from what I'm reading... Granted its late and I may be wrong but I dont think so. Fuzzy Afro said about the vaccines working at 74% (I’m surmising) then Mandolin mentioned the 26% in response using the phrase ‘in your own words’. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 16, 2021 Report Share Posted July 16, 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Fuzzy Afro said about the vaccines working at 74% (I’m surmising) then Mandolin mentioned the 26% in response using the phrase ‘in your own words’. 74% was in relation to immune compromised people... The vaccine is still 74% effective at protecting the most vulnerable in society from infection. The protection against hospitalisation and death will be even higher. That is still a very high benchmark of protection. This was out of a question about who exactly is vulnerable to the virus ? People keep saying they are vulnerable but the evidence does not stack up. The whole point of the vaccine roll out was to give these people first dibs on the vaccine to protect them. And it worked, and they are protected and life should be good. Vaccines aren't magic bullets - but they should be enough for people to move on - or they should seek counselling and support not fear mongering from Pagel and the rest of the fear mongering media whores. Hope not fear! Edited July 16, 2021 by Barry Fish 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/07/16/anxious-bbc-staff-wanting-personal-space-offered-white-lanyards/ Great idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipsteak Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 5 hours ago, Barry Fish said: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2021/07/16/anxious-bbc-staff-wanting-personal-space-offered-white-lanyards/ Great idea Saw on Twitter a company was doing Red (stay the fuck away), Amber (a nice sensible handshake, maybe just a nod of the head), Green (potential HR nightmare) lanyards for their staff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foolee Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 8 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? Ordering a pint at the bar? Not having to keep a 1m distance? Meeting up with > 5 friends at a time? Live music, festival and gigs as I've missed them so much. Went to the Download Pilot so had a fix last month but have something booked almost every weekend in August until the end of September. Also, not having to book every restaurant and pub/bar in advance, what a mood killer that is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dawg Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, Fuzzy Afro said: What is everyone most looking forward to? I'm not really looking forward to anything. I can go to the pub when I want. There's live music on in my local venue, albeit I have to sit down. I can go to the office at work as and when I want. Everyone, and I mean everyone, I know is hugging and shaking hands. I'm not bothered about nightclubs and dancing, so apart from Glastonbury, not sure what else there is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 Covid: Fully jabbed arrivals from France must still quarantine https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57869880 They haven’t got a clue what they are doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapple12345 Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 7 hours ago, Havors said: Is that attended with officially or attended with the hundreds that stormed the ground and the thousands they mixed with outside the ground? Haha hard to tell Yeah I don't quite get this argument. On your point there were loads of people at Wembley who were ticketless but other events such as festivals are hardly going to get stormed, for example you don't get 100,000 people waiting in Glastonbury Town on the off chance of breaking in to the festival. Yes there are risks for mass gatherings but most other planned events are fully outside where transmission is lower and probably wouldn't get as rowdy, for example I'm yet to hear of any infections from Wimbledon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted July 17, 2021 Report Share Posted July 17, 2021 (edited) 33 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said: Yeah I don't quite get this argument. On your point there were loads of people at Wembley who were ticketless but other events such as festivals are hardly going to get stormed, for example you don't get 100,000 people waiting in Glastonbury Town on the off chance of breaking in to the festival. Yes there are risks for mass gatherings but most other planned events are fully outside where transmission is lower and probably wouldn't get as rowdy, for example I'm yet to hear of any infections from Wimbledon. Transmission is almost certainly happening on the transport to venues and in the pubs before the game. It isnt the surprising that Wimbledon with their jewellery rattlers aren't probably craming on the tube as much vs parking their 4x4 in the £15 per hour car park. Likewise most people arrive at Silverstone in cars. Either direct to the venue or to the neighboring campsites. Demographics matter. In this regards I reckon festivals are probably safer than the football but less safe than Wimbledon. Cars are still the most likely transport option for festival. Saying thay, crowded tents and bars ain't going to be good. And if it rains then its a shit shoe superspreading event as people cram even more indoors Depends how much we care about cases still. Edited July 17, 2021 by Barry Fish Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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