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Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday

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1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday

Nah, this won't happen, so there's no point spending energy preparing yourself for it. There'll be a spike but all the noises show they've clearly commited to the 19th now and then will see what happens.

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4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday

Nope. Following the CRG advice. They are a research group after all so know what they're talking about. Looking like there is a push for masks to be kind of made mandatory on public transport though, just not by the government.

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26 minutes ago, RossTC said:

Sounds about right, i cooked some dinner last night and that was enough to send me West and make me feel the worst i have so far. Takeaways it is...

Whats the old wives tale ?  Is it feed a cold, starve a fever?  

I think its all bollocks anyway ha! Get well soon

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1 minute ago, steviewevie said:

Nope. Following the CRG advice. They are a research group after all so know what they're talking about. Looking like there is a push for masks to be kind of made mandatory on public transport though, just not by the government.

YUp, the real opposition the CRG, making sure we arent locked in our house by over eager Zero Covidiots

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11 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

He was screaming for us to reopen the other week and now he is screaming for masks.

Playing politics. 

There's nothing at all contradictory about those two positions. Not unless you're starting to buy into the "us versus them" thing that goes on in here where the only two allowed stances are "open up everything" and "lockdown forever".

It shows how polarised the discussion has got though.

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I think the government will be secretly pleased the Euros happened when it did, with the undeniable spike in cases that has risen from people watching it either at Wembley or with their family and friends etc. It gets a lot of those people who haven’t been fully jabbed yet ‘out of the way’ whilst still in the summer months, meaning there is still more than enough hospital capacity required at present. This peak in the Autumn would have had much worse impact.
I don’t see how there will be another peak again when this exit wave is over - or will there? 

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12 minutes ago, jannybruck said:

Nah, this won't happen, so there's no point spending energy preparing yourself for it. There'll be a spike but all the noises show they've clearly commited to the 19th now and then will see what happens.

I agree that they'll proceed with the 19th. However I don't think they'll wait til September before the flip flopping starts. 

Netherlands have already set the precedent. 

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15 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday

Do you have to give this constant negativity all the time? It's exhausting. Are you not off to Latitude soon? Can you not look forward to that instead of coming on here to say either that restrictions won't be eased or that we will be back in lockdown for Autumn?

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2 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

Do you have to give this constant negativity all the time? It's exhausting. Are you not off to Latitude soon? Can you not look forward to that instead of coming on here to say either that restrictions won't be eased or that we will be back in lockdown for Autumn?

Haha I can do both of those things- live in the real world and still look forward to doing one thing. To me it's not negativity, it's just reality

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24 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Considering this lot don't care what they said even a couple of days ago or think people will forget, I still wouldn't be surprised if "if not now, when" turns into another "heavy heart" on Friday if we get the expected euros final spike in cases today/tomorrow/friday

No they won't back out of this now.

The only possibility I see is that they open the flood gates over summer and if it gets really out of hand - we have to lockdown in some degree in late September / October.

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9 minutes ago, JoeyT said:

What volume of cases are we going to peak at do we all think?

The million dollar questions I know but...

 

All those weeks back when we said cases didn't matter because we have the vaccine and its just about getting more jabs in arms seems to be distant forgotten memory.

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3 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Haha I can do both of those things- live in the real world and still look forward to doing one thing. To me it's not negativity, it's just reality

It's reality to say that restriction easing won't go ahead as planned later in the month?  No it isn't, it is unbelievably and unnecessarily negative 

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1 hour ago, Hannibal Schmitt said:

I`m sure there is. Here it makes 70-80 percent of all cases now and this with not so much sequencing.

We already have clusters of dutch tourists with delta brought into the country.

Also I assume that the delta in Europe has been faster than expected, so many experts say it here.

Rather handily, we can identify delta without sequencing. When Alpha hit, one of the mutations caused the S gene to drop out of the PCR results (which typically look at 2 or 3 genes). So, PCR data could be used as a proxy for estimating the prevalence of alpha (we could just assume that cases that were positive but had no signal in the S gene lane were alpha, and when they were sequenced, 95%+ of them were). Now we have delta which doesn't have the mutation that causes the S gene amplification to fail, so if we get a PCR result with no S gene signal, it's likely to be alpha and if we get a result that has a signal for the S gene, it's likely to be delta (older variants can't compete with either of these, so while the odd case will pop up, S gene+ on PCR is probably delta, S gene- is probably alpha). So what we are seeing across Europe is increasing amount of positive cases that have this S gene signal, indicating a big rise in the ratio of delta cases (around 80% here now too)...

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4 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

Haha I can do both of those things- live in the real world and still look forward to doing one thing. To me it's not negativity, it's just reality

Its not so much that, its just that every single development comes with 'BACK TO LOCKDOWN UNTIL SPRING' Its not living in the real world to be SO gloomy over things.

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1 hour ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

I have recent and current first hand experience of how the vaccines seem to be working...to an extent. It's definitely not preventing catching it but it definitely softens the blow if and when you do. There's an air of inevitability that at some point we'll all catch it and those who have been vaccinated stand a better chance of lessening the impact. So I don't deny that they work but I would dispel any myths that they protect you from catching the virus. But has this been the message all along? I genuinely can't remember!

No the message now is to doubt the efficacy of a double jabbed individual. A few months ago the people who were pushing for the vaccination would have burnt you at the stake. Now it’s the fashionable view of following the science to say the vaccines do jack shit. Keep up.

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Just now, Matt42 said:

No the message now is to doubt the efficacy of a double jabbed individual. A few months ago the people who were pushing for the vaccination would have burnt you at the stake. Now it’s the fashionable view of following the science to say the vaccines do jack shit. Keep up.

I don't need to keep up when I know you have your finger on the pulse

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1 hour ago, Toilet Duck said:

Jaysus Matt you do come out with some corkers! 😁 understanding how vaccines work is not denialism (assuming they are a force field is incorrect though). My point all along is that they have good effectiveness at stopping infections when we have other measures in place that also reduce our chances of getting infected. Cram us all into gigs or clubs again and the odds of picking it up increase, even when double jabbed. The key thing here is that (as per the navy boat in question), infections that otherwise might have had serious consequences, instead lead to mild or asymptomatic cases (they won’t always, some people will still get sick, end up in hospital and even die, but not in numbers anywhere close to what would happen if unvaccinated). Far from denialism, the vaccines work incredibly well and I still think that they end this, just with greater coverage than we currently have.

 

1 hour ago, Radiochicken said:

Didn’t mean it to come across that way 😂

Vaccines FTW! 

But you need to be careful because this constant doubting of the vaccine efficacy is not going to have the effect you think it is. People on the fence will just simply not get it, and things will get worse.  Think more widely about the talking points you’re pushing.

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2 hours ago, Barry Fish said:

They haven't got the vaccine levels we have.  You are not comparing like for like.

You might want to do more research as Holland are actually very close to our levels on vaccination and anyway, even the vaccinated can spread the virus - or have you not been paying attention?

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17 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

It's reality to say that restriction easing won't go ahead as planned later in the month?  No it isn't, it is unbelievably and unnecessarily negative 

OK yes I was wrong - restrictions are being lifted next week, I'm sooo excited....

16 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Its not so much that, its just that every single development comes with 'BACK TO LOCKDOWN UNTIL SPRING' Its not living in the real world to be SO gloomy over things.

You see it as gloomy and fair enough. I can tone it down for the benefit of others! 

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20 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

No the message now is to doubt the efficacy of a double jabbed individual. A few months ago the people who were pushing for the vaccination would have burnt you at the stake. Now it’s the fashionable view of following the science to say the vaccines do jack shit. Keep up.

No it isn't. 

Most hospitalisations are people who are unvaccinated (or not fully vaccinated). The worry is there are still too many of them.

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