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23 minutes ago, kalifire said:

But a less harmful wave, surely. I don’t know, I’m not pushing any particular argument here, it’s just odd to me that a delay of a few weeks seems totally off the table and we have to be talking about winter or 2022. I haven’t heard a good argument why that is. 

Less harmful? No, it would be much more harmful... it would be flu season and all the other rise in hospitalisations that come with winter. Much worse to push the wave into the autumn... Hence they literally said its better to do it now.... 



 

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1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Labour are the party of infinite lockdown. 

Its the worse kind of politics to be honest.

Throughout the pandemic they have largely been absent from any real opposition and then when its about going back to normal they say we should wait until we have implemented something that would realistically cost billions and take 5 to 10 years to implement.

But they get to play the told you so card when people do die - because that can't be avoided.

Pretty shite politics.  Starmer needs to go.  I am not voting Labour next election for the first time ever unless they have new and better leadership.

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3 minutes ago, Havors said:

Less harmful? No, it would be much more harmful... it would be flu season and all the other rise in hospitalisations that come with winter. Much worse to push the wave into the autumn... Hence they literally said its better to do it now.... 
 

Since when is August “autumn”? 

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1 minute ago, Fuzzy Afro said:

Labour are the party of infinite lockdown. 

Nah they are the party of trying not to support the Tories. If they sit on the fence they come out unscathed either way. 

I think its time you toned down the rhetoric to be honest, its getting tedious even for me who is very much in favour of getting everything open in 2 weeks. 

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12 minutes ago, Dog Burger said:

Don't want to spam the thread, but I don't suppose anyone knows whether Bath Racecourse or Avonmouth vaccination centre are offering Pfizer walk-ins for over 40s at the moment? The information online is entirely contradictory. One part of the NHS website says both are offering walk-ins to anyone over 18 for first or second jab, another part of the site says only people with booked appointments should turn up.  

I'm already booked in for the mass vaccination site in Bristol next Tuesday – nine weeks after my first, but we're going on holiday the following morning and would prefer to avoid running the risk of having flu symptoms for the holiday, if it's fine for me to go to a walk-in centre. At the same time, don't want to do an hour's round trip and add to their workload unnecessarily if I shouldn't be going there.

Not sure about the two locations you’ve mentioned but pretty sure I’ve seen information shared that the bath and west showground might be doing walk ins?

Not sure if that’s worth looking in to or how convenient it is for you to get to?

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55 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Not the only one. It’s absolute clusterfuck. Terrible leadership. Terrible message. Terrible strategy.

Their direction is absolutely clueless, and they think that this “well if the tories fuck up people will vote us” approach will work.

Newsflash but people don’t vote that way. Labour need to focus on being a stronger party, rather than just sitting and praying for a Tory scandal.

Labour just don't have a clear identity anymore. I vote for them purely because they have the biggest chance of beating the Tories in my constituency, which is slim considering the Tories (33,000) got more than double the Labour vote (16,000) here in 2019.

With Corbyn at the helm Labour at least had a vocal recognisable leader and an identity, with Starmer you hear more from his MPs eyeing up his job than you do from him in the midst of the biggest health crises in living memory.

If they can't lead their own party they don't stand a chance leading the country, or at least that's the way it looks to me, a working class 20-something from inner city Leeds who should be Labour through and through

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3 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

If I name names I’ll get an instant pile on and be called a bully etc etc but there are defo people in here. They’re not explicitly saying ‘I don’t want restrictions to be lifted on July 18th’ but you can tell they’re thinking it 

A lot of y’all are framing this in a really negative and unhelpful way. 

People are perfectly entitled to their opinion that the planned removal of restrictions on the 19th is too much, too soon. 

That’s not the same thing as saying they don’t want restrictions lifted at all, or that they’re some sort of freedom-hating control freaks. Which has 100% been the implication in a lot of posts…

Everyone here wants restrictions to end as soon as it’s safe to end them. We have different opinions on when that is, but ultimately we do all want the same thing. 

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8 minutes ago, eFestivals said:

You never said that ending was measured by the festival of your choice.

It was an example, so far there has been no festival running without restrictions, lets wait and see just how free we are in a few weeks, I suspect there will now be a push for vaccine passports for entry to events, if you listened to Johnson yesterday he said this isn't over by a long way and suggested businesses should consider using covid status as a condition of entry. He claimed it would be up to the businesses concerned but if you are reliant on a council licence there could well be pressure to bring in such a system to ensure the venue is "safe".

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5 minutes ago, Havors said:

Delaying to august pushes the wave into autumn.... come on use your brain. 

So if we ease up now, we absolutely avoid an autumn wave, but if we delay for a few more weeks until everyone waiting on a second jab has had one, an autumn lockdown is absolutely inevitable?

Doesn't seem quite right to me. I'm pretty sure we could handle a wave that overlaps a bit with the start of autumn, especially since hospitalisations for seasonal conditions wouldn't happen immediately, for the sake of an additional 21% protection against hospitalisation amongst millions of people.

Again, I want to understand the position here, I'm not necessarily saying we shouldn't be easing up now (just to make that clear for the one or two who probably wouldn't grasp the nuance).

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7 minutes ago, andyrhodes24 said:

Labour just don't have a clear identity anymore. I vote for them purely because they have the biggest chance of beating the Tories in my constituency, which is slim considering the Tories (33,000) got more than double the Labour vote (16,000) here in 2019.

With Corbyn at the helm Labour at least had a vocal recognisable leader and an identity, with Starmer you hear more from his MPs eyeing up his job than you do from him in the midst of the biggest health crises in living memory.

If they can't lead their own party they don't stand a chance leading the country, or at least that's the way it looks to me, a working class 20-something from inner city Leeds who should be Labour through and through

Labour just keep making bad decisions. Corbyn leadership has damaged them for a generation IMO. He was too divisive and stood no chance of winning over Tory voters. For a lot of people he turned the Labour Party into something extreme, unfamiliar, and scary. Labour would love to tell you he isn’t around anymore but the spectre and damage he did to the party still remains.

We all know many people who will never vote Labour again because of the Corbyn years.

I also think Labour’s position right now is not appealing to the people they should be winning. The tories are just scooping up all the on the fence Labour voters now.

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20 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

If I name names I’ll get an instant pile on and be called a bully etc etc but there are defo people in here. They’re not explicitly saying ‘I don’t want restrictions to be lifted on July 18th’ but you can tell they’re thinking it 

Deano. 

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Just now, kalifire said:

So if we ease up now, we absolutely avoid an autumn wave, but if we delay for a few more weeks until everyone waiting on a second jab has had one, an autumn lockdown is absolutely inevitable?

Doesn't seem quite right to me. I'm pretty sure we could handle a wave that overlaps a bit with the start of autumn, especially since hospitalisations for seasonal conditions wouldn't happen immediately, for the sake of an additional 21% protection against hospitalisation amongst millions of people.

Again, I want to understand the position here, I'm not necessarily saying we shouldn't be easing up now (just to make that clear for the one or two who probably wouldn't grasp the nuance).

Take it up with the experts Vallance and Witty.... 

The sooner we open the sooner the wave peaks. Any delay delays the wave.. and it also does not guarantee any saved lives. It just moves the problem further down the road. Restrictions do not prevent disease, they just delay it. 

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30 minutes ago, Dog Burger said:

Don't want to spam the thread, but I don't suppose anyone knows whether Bath Racecourse or Avonmouth vaccination centre are offering Pfizer walk-ins for over 40s at the moment? The information online is entirely contradictory. One part of the NHS website says both are offering walk-ins to anyone over 18 for first or second jab, another part of the site says only people with booked appointments should turn up.  

I'm already booked in for the mass vaccination site in Bristol next Tuesday – nine weeks after my first, but we're going on holiday the following morning and would prefer to avoid running the risk of having flu symptoms for the holiday, if it's fine for me to go to a walk-in centre. At the same time, don't want to do an hour's round trip and add to their workload unnecessarily if I shouldn't be going there.

 

 

 

Taunton Racecourse and B & W might be:

 

 

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10 minutes ago, jimmillen said:

A lot of y’all are framing this in a really negative and unhelpful way. 

People are perfectly entitled to their opinion that the planned removal of restrictions on the 19th is too much, too soon. 

That’s not the same thing as saying they don’t want restrictions lifted at all, or that they’re some sort of freedom-hating control freaks. Which has 100% been the implication in a lot of posts…

Everyone here wants restrictions to end as soon as it’s safe to end them. We have different opinions on when that is, but ultimately we do all want the same thing. 

But the can is always kicked down the road. Now July it too early, it needs to be all adults vaxxed. Then it'll be kids. Then it's Long covid etc etc. As they said yday at the briefing, it is now or Spring 2022. Too fucking right I don't have patience for that.

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Two things a responsible gov would be more straight with people about: 

1) If you haven’t been vaccinated, you should expect to catch Covid. And even if you are vaccinated you can and will still catch - mainly - mild infection. 

2) There is no way we can guarantee we won’t need to go back to some restrictions, even if they aren’t blunt lockdowns, over the winter.

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5 minutes ago, Matt42 said:

Labour just keep making bad decisions. Corbyn leadership has damaged them for a generation IMO. He was too divisive and stood no chance of winning over Tory voters. For a lot of people he turned the Labour Party into something extreme, unfamiliar, and scary. Labour would love to tell you he isn’t around anymore but the spectre and damage he did to the party still remains.

We all know many people who will never vote Labour again because of the Corbyn years.

I also think Labour’s position right now is not appealing to the people they should be winning. The tories are just scooping up all the on the fence Labour voters now.

Then is the problem not the idiot voters as opposed to what happened in the past? Cutting their nose off to spite their face? i.e. im going to help Boris the complete buffoon sell off our NHS because Corbyn was a fucking idealistic hippy commie who is no longer in the party? 

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2 minutes ago, Radiochicken said:

Two things a responsible gov would be more straight with people about: 

1) If you haven’t been vaccinated, you should expect to catch Covid. And even if you are vaccinated you can and will still catch - mainly - mild infection. 

2) There is no way we can guarantee we won’t need to go back to some restrictions, even if they aren’t blunt lockdowns, over the winter.

Absolutely agree with this. Would be nice to see the government treating the public with a bit of respect and being honest with them but can't see it.

I have a question: how will the test and trace app know not to ping you if you're double jabbed given that supposedly the test and trace app isn't linked to anything but your phone number? Or will the advice be more that you get pinged still but can ignore it if double jabbed?

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6 minutes ago, fraybentos1 said:

But the can is always kicked down the road. Now July it too early, it needs to be all adults vaxxed. Then it'll be kids. Then it's Long covid etc etc. As they said yday at the briefing, it is now or Spring 2022. Too fucking right I don't have patience for that.

yup the goalposts keep moving. I don't trust the Fake SAGE zero covid lot. Now they are saying they want all public building with proper ventelitation before we remove restrictions. So thats around.... 4 years or so?

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2 minutes ago, Zoo Music Girl said:

Absolutely agree with this. Would be nice to see the government treating the public with a bit of respect and being honest with them but can't see it.

I have a question: how will the test and trace app know not to ping you if you're double jabbed given that supposedly the test and trace app isn't linked to anything but your phone number? Or will the advice be more that you get pinged still but can ignore it if double jabbed?

Its just guidance at the moment anyway.I guess if your pinged, you can chose to have daily LFT instead

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