zahidf Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ozanne said: It worries me we are opening up fully with only 60 odd % of people fully vaccinated. I don't know why Johnson framed it as 'now or not at all this year' when if we wait just a bit more we'll have pretty much every adult fully vaccinated and as the vaccines are so good that will mean any risk to hospitals and severe illness is so much lower. So whilst it would be Autumn we would have a fully vaccinated population to combat that and enable us to properly open up at that stage. Because the pressures on the hospital I'm autumn would be more so the NHS would be at risk Now, even if hospitalisations go up, it'd be manageable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, zahidf said: Because the pressures on the hospital I'm autumn would be more so the NHS would be at risk Now, even if hospitalisations go up, it'd be manageable. Hospitalisations have the potential to go up more now with less people fully vaccinated which in-turn would have a knock on effect to the Autumn. We have a chance to prevent that and open up with a fully vaccinated population, which would be much less of a risk. 4 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmillen Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 20 minutes ago, Matt42 said: I just think it’s so bizarre to outright reject it and be kinda aggressive about it. It just stinks of insecure management that refuse to trust their employees or treat them like adults. I’ve worked in environments that could be seen as toxic, and this is always the case. Irrational fears that your employees can’t be trusted without your supervision, to be point where the boss won’t even take a holiday. Yep. Also ties into the absolutely poisonous long hours culture rife in those sectors where people brag about working 90 hours plus a week as if it’s something to be proud of, instead of a recipe for stress, unhappiness and an early grave. Wasn’t it Goldman or one of the banks that recently made a big deal about not making employees work on both Saturday and Sunday, like they were god’s gift to employee wellbeing? FFS. IMO a lot of the CEOs making loud noises about rejecting flexible working see it like they did their time and suffered the misery of it all, so they’ll be damned if any of their employees now get an easier ride. Instead of having a bit of compassion and emotional intelligence to create a healthier working environment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeanoL Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 hours ago, fraybentos1 said: Come off it mate. No one has that many breaks! It's simply when your boss isn't in the same room as you can do more of what you want on your computer. No-one works 100% focused all day in the office either. You chat to colleagues about all sorts in the office. I think for many this forum is the substitute for that. End of the day bosses don't care as long as the work gets done. Or maybe it's just relief from some on here who don't actually do anything productive that they can go back to being seen to be in the office so no-one will start questioning what they actually deliver! 😄 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 2 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Hospitalisations have the potential to go up more now with less people fully vaccinated which in-turn would have a knock on effect to the Autumn. We have a chance to prevent that and open up with a fully vaccinated population, which would be much less of a risk. We already delayed once when we probably didn't have to. The same people asking for more time to vaccinate all the adults would the switch to asking for more time for the kids and then after winter. If we have this hospitalisation and death rate last March, we would never have had these stupid restrictions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt42 Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, jimmillen said: Yep. Also ties into the absolutely poisonous long hours culture rife in those sectors where people brag about working 90 hours plus a week as if it’s something to be proud of, instead of a recipe for stress, unhappiness and an early grave. Wasn’t it Goldman or one of the banks that recently made a big deal about not making employees work on both Saturday and Sunday, like they were god’s gift to employee wellbeing? FFS. IMO a lot of the CEOs making loud noises about rejecting flexible working see it like they did their time and suffered the misery of it all, so they’ll be damned if any of their employees now get an easier ride. Instead of having a bit of compassion and emotional intelligence to create a healthier working environment. Yeah extremely progressive working from home policy where employees can work from home two days a week….. on the weekends… Then again, the culture of GS is a “pump out” model. They know that a lot of the people that work there will tap out after a few years and a whole set of fresh new graduates will be excited to join. only a slither of people make it beyond 5+ years, and usually those move on before they get too expensive to keep hired. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ozanne said: Hospitalisations have the potential to go up more now with less people fully vaccinated which in-turn would have a knock on effect to the Autumn. We have a chance to prevent that and open up with a fully vaccinated population, which would be much less of a risk. Vallance and Witty disagree with you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, zahidf said: We already delayed once when we probably didn't have to. The same people asking for more time to vaccinate all the adults would the switch to asking for more time for the kids and then after winter. I know it's only my view but I would think we need to get the adults vaccinated, I'm not thinking about getting the kids done. It might not ultra cautious what I'm saying but in my mind it feels like the logical thing to do especially we are fairly close to all adults have 2 doses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zahidf Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Ozanne said: I know it's only my view but I would think we need to get the adults vaccinated, I'm not thinking about getting the kids done. It might not ultra cautious what I'm saying but in my mind it feels like the logical thing to do especially we are fairly close to all adults have 2 doses. That's already moving the goalposts from all the vulnerable being protected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, zahidf said: That's already moving the goalposts from all the vulnerable being protected. I haven't moved the goalposts, I'm just saying that's my view on how I feel we should be proceeding. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Every single country in the world which hasn't closed their borders (like Oz and NZ) will be doing the same as the UK as soon as they to the same death/hospitalisation stage. I certainly don't think we are massively different to most countries in the scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Just now, Ozanne said: I haven't moved the goalposts, I'm just saying that's my view on how I feel we should be proceeding. Well fair enough if you always thought that. I didn't agree to the principle of restrictions until all adults were double jabbed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 9 minutes ago, DeanoL said: No-one works 100% focused all day in the office either. You chat to colleagues about all sorts in the office. I think for many this forum is the substitute for that. End of the day bosses don't care as long as the work gets done. Or maybe it's just relief from some on here who don't actually do anything productive that they can go back to being seen to be in the office so no-one will start questioning what they actually deliver! 😄 Middle management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 minute ago, zahidf said: Every single country in the world which hasn't closed their borders (like Oz and NZ) will be doing the same as the UK as soon as they to the same death/hospitalisation stage. I certainly don't think we are massively different to most countries in the scheme of things. Maybe not if have similar rise in cases Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 57 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said: Personally, still think it's fucking reckless when 50% of the population are not fully vaccinated. This proper opening could have been pushed back to August once we had everyone done - but hey ho I guess. Almost pre empting down votes from certain ividduals to this post. Not going to downvote you. Just going to enjoy your faux outrage and tears. We are getting our freedom back in two weeks and there is absolutely nothing you lockdown loving weirdos can do about it. Pleasing 🙂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobertProsineckisLighter Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 12 minutes ago, Ozanne said: I know it's only my view but I would think we need to get the adults vaccinated, I'm not thinking about getting the kids done. It might not ultra cautious what I'm saying but in my mind it feels like the logical thing to do especially we are fairly close to all adults have 2 doses. Those who haven't had two jabs are at such a low risk of complications - the way the cases are going were all going to end up catching it anyway might aswell get it over and done with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuzzy Afro Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Feck me the Helen Lovejoy brigade are out in force tonight. Do other countries have so many absolute lockdown living arseholes in their population? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascalpete Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 Looking forward to ordering a pint at the bar, standing round with my pals not having to forward think about how many are going etc and plan the whole day/night bar by bar weeks in advance. I'm sure the novelty will soon ware off and I’ll be back sat at the table ordering on my app but exciting times! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 8 minutes ago, Fuzzy Afro said: Feck me the Helen Lovejoy brigade are out in force tonight. Do other countries have so many absolute lockdown living arseholes in their population? Give it a rest please … I remember the respect people gave you when you struggled with lockdown … please have a think about those that might be struggling with the opening up phase which is equally as justifiable 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastynh Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 1 hour ago, efcfanwirral said: Put those two threads together and you can see your future in Manchester it seems... The burden that the hospitals are under in Manchester was extreme before Covid hit us. I have seen old people lay in corridors as there was no place to put them. Unfortunately I have been a regular at hospitals in Manchester over the last decade or so. The staff are utterly fantastic and literally saved my life a few times now. The conditions and workload they have to operate under is a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 16 minutes ago, rascalpete said: Looking forward to ordering a pint at the bar, standing round with my pals not having to forward think about how many are going etc and plan the whole day/night bar by bar weeks in advance. I'm sure the novelty will soon ware off and I’ll be back sat at the table ordering on my app but exciting times! That's great mate mate! Personally I'm bit on the other sound of things at the moment but I'm happy you are feeling excited about things! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andre91 Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 18 minutes ago, rascalpete said: Looking forward to ordering a pint at the bar, standing round with my pals not having to forward think about how many are going etc and plan the whole day/night bar by bar weeks in advance. I'm sure the novelty will soon ware off and I’ll be back sat at the table ordering on my app but exciting times! In full agreement. Bring on the 19th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rascalpete Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 5 minutes ago, Ozanne said: That's great mate mate! Personally I'm bit on the other sound of things at the moment but I'm happy you are feeling excited about things! Cheers, yeah everyone just take it at their own pace and enjoy it as and when Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efcfanwirral Posted July 5, 2021 Report Share Posted July 5, 2021 First thing I'll be doing is latitude so I have a feeling there'll be no worries in normal life after that... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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