When will this shit end?

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[BobWillis2]

43 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

Delta variant hitting Africa.

 

Fucking tories not closing the borders 😡

[Hannibal Schmitt]

Some concerns about the Delta Spread in the EU/Germany:

According to the EU health authority ECDC, the Delta variant will spread significantly throughout Europe over the course of the summer. "It is very likely that the Delta variant will circulate heavily during the summer," said ECDC Director Andrea Ammon. This is especially true for younger people who are not among the target groups of the vaccination campaigns. A major risk is that more vulnerable people could become infected and experience a serious course of the disease or die if they are not fully vaccinated.

Despite the overall falling corona numbers, the delta variant of the virus, which is considered to be more contagious, is also on the rise in Germany. After several federal states have already reported that the proportion of the variant in new infections has recently increased noticeably, new data from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) - the federal authority for infectious diseases - is expected this Wednesday evening.

It is to be expected that the mutant, has spread further in many parts of Germany - albeit at an overall low level. In view of the development, the virologist Christian Drosten advocates raising awareness of the importance of vaccination. "That is really what we have to do now," said the expert from the Berlin Charité in the podcast "Coronavirus Update" (NDR info).

He did not decide whether the trend could reverse in summer or in autumn due to the spread of the delta variant. In the fall, the incidence will definitely rise again, said Drosten and emphasized the importance of the vaccination for parents of school children. "We just have to vaccinate quickly," is the virologist's appeal. If this is not enough, you have to counteract this again with contact restrictions. "But there are also good reasons to think that this will not be necessary in Germany."

[Ozanne]

32 minutes ago, Supernintendo Chalmers said:

From BBC.com, relating to Switzerland:

"The Swiss government has announced major relaxations of Covid restrictions, including dropping the mandatory work from home order which has been in place since the middle of January.

Mask wearing in open air public spaces such as train stations, bus and tram stops will be dropped.

Restaurants, shops, and gyms are allowed to operate at full capacity, and nightclubs and music venues can reopen".

Nice.

That’s incredible. I’m being super lazy but how bad has the pandemic been in Switzerland?

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, Ozanne said:

That’s incredible. I’m being super lazy but how bad has the pandemic been in Switzerland?

its all been down hills 

[Ozanne]

16,135 cases reported today.

[Ozanne]

 

[northernringo]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

16,135 cases reported today.

That's a pretty big jump and deaths up again too.

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, northernringo said:

That's a pretty big jump and deaths up again too.

they seem to jump around a bit at moment...flatish for days then suddenly jumps up.

[Fuzzy Afro]

Deaths are complete noise at those levels. The case jump to 16,000 really isn’t ideal though. 

[hodgey123]

Anyone concerned we will roll back a step never mind not go to Step 4 on 19 July? I don't think it's likely but interested to see what others think. 

[Nobody Interesting]

3 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

16,135 cases reported today.

Latest data by actual specimin date is up t 21st and that number is 14,753 but is not yet complete.

Seems like the scientists know their stuff regards case number predictions - unlike too many people who post on this thread and seem to think they know more than scientists.

The good thing is hospitalisations are not shooting up so fast - but they lag 2-3 weeks behind so still too early to really tell.

PS and this is not to the person who I quoted - but if you think a face mask is a nappy - then please let me strap a used nappy to your face. To people like that with no care for others, is Glastonbury the place for you, or has that festival now been taken over by selfish people?

[duke88]

4 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

This is never going to end is it? How on earth is every other country in Europe under a thousand cases a day and we're producing figures like that?! Plague island. Man that's depressed me.

[steviewevie]

zen

 

[steviewevie]

1 minute ago, hodgey123 said:

Anyone concerned we will roll back a step never mind not go to Step 4 on 19 July? I don't think it's likely but interested to see what others think. 

nah. Surely they're expecting this. It's all about hospitalisations, deaths, and percentage of popn fully vaccinated.

[Crazyfool01]

Just now, duke88 said:

This is never going to end is it? How on earth is every other country in Europe under a thousand cases a day and we're producing figures like that?! Plague island. Man that's depressed me.

it will end with some kind of immunity through vaccines and infections .... Im not sure how many individuals are left that haven't had either but it seems to be dwindling fast now ... 

[Toilet Duck]

6 minutes ago, Hannibal Schmitt said:

Some concerns about the Delta Spread in the EU/Germany:

According to the EU health authority ECDC, the Delta variant will spread significantly throughout Europe over the course of the summer. "It is very likely that the Delta variant will circulate heavily during the summer," said ECDC Director Andrea Ammon. This is especially true for younger people who are not among the target groups of the vaccination campaigns. A major risk is that more vulnerable people could become infected and experience a serious course of the disease or die if they are not fully vaccinated.

Despite the overall falling corona numbers, the delta variant of the virus, which is considered to be more contagious, is also on the rise in Germany. After several federal states have already reported that the proportion of the variant in new infections has recently increased noticeably, new data from the Robert Koch Institute (RKI) - the federal authority for infectious diseases - is expected this Wednesday evening.

It is to be expected that the mutant, has spread further in many parts of Germany - albeit at an overall low level. In view of the development, the virologist Christian Drosten advocates raising awareness of the importance of vaccination. "That is really what we have to do now," said the expert from the Berlin Charité in the podcast "Coronavirus Update" (NDR info).

He did not decide whether the trend could reverse in summer or in autumn due to the spread of the delta variant. In the fall, the incidence will definitely rise again, said Drosten and emphasized the importance of the vaccination for parents of school children. "We just have to vaccinate quickly," is the virologist's appeal. If this is not enough, you have to counteract this again with contact restrictions. "But there are also good reasons to think that this will not be necessary in Germany."

Yeah, up to 20% of cases here now in the last few days (from about 5% a week or two ago). Thankfully cases are still low and haven't risen after the last step of our opening (outdoor dining/drinking opened up a few weeks ago, along with gyms, pools non-essential retail etc)...in fact cases continue to drop (as well as hospital numbers), but they are definitely wary of it (we were due to open up indoors on July 5th, for a while there was a suggestion they would hold off til the end of July when 70% are double jabbed, but they are talking again about keeping to the original plan and allowing indoor dining and drinking on July 5th...the step we are due to take though is what coincided with the take off of delta in the UK, so I wouldn't be at all surprised to see them pause, and maybe even use the digital health certificate for things it isn't used for in the UK, but is being used for in some parts of the EU (like indoor dining/drinking...there was a suggestion today that sitting outdoors could be done without the pass, but the pass would be required to sit indoors)). A proposal to our vaccination committee also went in today to start using AZ in younger cohorts (currently it's over 50s) as in the next few weeks we'll have finished second doses for everyone that already had it and will have hundreds of thousands of doses we can't use under the current guidance (don't have an excess of J&J yet, but that will happen too if they don't start using it in younger people and J&J actually manage to deliver a decent amount of doses!). Pfizer deliveries drop back to normal levels in about 3 weeks time (there were a bunch of extra doses delivered over the last month, which has really turbo charged the vaccination programme), so having something else to use to get us to the end a bit quicker would be handy (and the threat of a wave of delta infections is the reason they want to change the guidance on using AZ, coupled with better management of any complications that may arise from doing so).  Loosening restrictions is aspirationally irreversible here, but not guaranteed, so they will step back if it gets out of control and starts filtering into the hospitals (there's 30 odd people in hospital with Covid in the whole of Ireland at the moment though, which is a far cry from 2500+ that were in hospital back in January and weekly admissions are still dropping...for the moment!). 

[Ozanne]

5 minutes ago, duke88 said:

This is never going to end is it? How on earth is every other country in Europe under a thousand cases a day and we're producing figures like that?! Plague island. Man that's depressed me.

I think it's because we are at a different stage with the Delta variant whereas most parts of Europe haven't really had it for as long as we have. It seems pretty grim but we aren't really seeing a huge impact on hospitals yet and every day more and more people are getting their 2nd doses so we are creeping towards the end of this.

Edited June 23, 2021 by Ozanne

[Chapple12345]

2 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I think it's because we are at a different stage with the Delta variant whereas most parts of Europe haven't really had it for as long as we have. It seems pretty grim but we aren't really seeing a huge impact on hospitals yet and every day more and more people are getting their 2nd doses so we are creeping towards the end of this.

Exactly, and on average we're doing say 400K jabs a day compared to 10-15K infections, we're far outpacing the virus and the wall of vaccines will definitely come into play there too 

[Ozanne]

Vaccination update including the last 2 days as yesterday there was an error with England's figures so they have included them into today's which is why yesterday shows a large drop:

[steviewevie]

[Ozanne]

12 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said:

Exactly, and on average we're doing say 400K jabs a day compared to 10-15K infections, we're far outpacing the virus and the wall of vaccines will definitely come into play there too 

For sure, the positive is that we have no fully vaccinated over 60% of the adult population which is a great achievement considering the time frames and will mean eventually a level of immunity will come into play. 

Edited June 23, 2021 by Ozanne

[steviewevie]

Merkel: all EU states should quarantine UK arrivals

German chancellor Angela Merkel has said she would like other European states to follow Germany and require people entering from countries with high levels of the Delta variant, like Britain, to go into quarantine.

“In our country, if you come from Great Britain, you have to go into quarantine - and that’s not the case in every European country, and that’s what I would like to see,” Merkel told the Bundestag lower house of parliament.

Yesterday, Merkel said she hoping for better coordination on pandemic travel rules among the bloc’s 27 member states. She said it was problematic to have a patchwork of regulations. Seemingly, she would like other EU states to follow her lead.

“I regret that we haven’t managed yet to have completely uniform action among the member states on travel guidelines – that is coming back to haunt us,” she told reporters after a meeting with European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen, according to AFP.

Merkel criticised Portugal, which has allowed the entry of British tourists despite the prevalence of the Delta variant in the UK.

Von der Leyen acknowledged she was “worried” about the spread of the Delta variant, saying it was “only a matter of time” before it became dominant in Europe.

[Billy Corgan's Ego]

Covid absolutely rampant in Edinburgh just now. I know, and have heard anecdotally, of more positive cases over the past 4 days than the  previous 16 months combined. 

The Football, unquestionably, is the main driver for this up here! Mabye a good thing that Scotland have not qualified for knockouts..

[Havors]

22 minutes ago, duke88 said:

This is never going to end is it? How on earth is every other country in Europe under a thousand cases a day and we're producing figures like that?! Plague island. Man that's depressed me.

More testing? + More sensitive tests? + Delta variant + Youngsters mixing as they used to while not vaccinated. 

All those = more cases. It appears the cases are mostly trivial though as we would expect with younger people. That is the biggest thing to follow.

Europe will likely follow suit at some point...