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Ozanne Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Not a good number for a Saturday but early signs the growth rate might be slowing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Vaccination update, added 2nd dose weekly change column as request buy @stuartbert two hats 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeyT Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Here we go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Fish Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 8 minutes ago, JoeyT said: Here we go Titanic moment for you @JoeyT @zahidf beat you to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapple12345 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, JoeyT said: Here we go I'll take any slight good news at the moment! It definitely seems there's a slowing, could this be our wall of vaccination finally coming into effect? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incident Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, Chapple12345 said: I'll take any slight good news at the moment! It definitely seems there's a slowing, could this be our wall of vaccination finally coming into effect? It could just be the basic truth that growth rate always has a ceiling, simply because there's not an infinite number of people, and so any graph plotting a scary indefinite straight line is always going end up being wrong sooner or later as at a certain point there'll be a lack of suitable people to infect. We've seen it in Bolton where an initially scary rise in cases levelled off without the NHS being badly hit. I'm still failing to understand why there is an expectation in some places that the rest of the country is going to be so much worse than that - especially as that rise was largely a month ago and so we've done ~15 million more jabs since then. I've said it before but it remains true on todays numbers - people are panicking over something that was predictable and predicted. This clamour to push the easing of restrictions back is not in any way justified by the numbers. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aeroplane Over the Sea Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, incident said: It could just be the basic truth that growth rate always has a ceiling, simply because there's not an infinite number of people, and so any graph plotting a scary indefinite straight line is always going end up being wrong sooner or later as at a certain point there'll be a lack of suitable people to infect. We've seen it in Bolton where an initially scary rise in cases levelled off without the NHS being badly hit. I'm still failing to understand why there is an expectation in some places that the rest of the country is going to be so much worse than that - especially as that rise was largely a month ago and so we've done ~15 million more jabs since then. I've said it before but it remains true on todays numbers - people are panicking over something that was predictable and predicted. This clamour to push the easing of restrictions back is not in any way justified by the numbers. This may play out to be the case, hopefully… but I think it’s understandable given the new variant that people are worried and that there’s an entirely justifiable discussion to be had about a bit more caution. If it wasn’t for the new variant, I don’t think that we’d be nearly as concerned by what we’ve seen so far would we? I do share the concern that we’re heading to a position where these curtailments are seen as an acceptable new normal and I really think that needs to be avoided, but I think it’s certainly justifiable to be trying to, as they say, make sure this time it’s irreversible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, kalifire said: Only if both vaccine shots are taken. It appears that just one shot provides a poor defence against Delta. For infection. Nobody ever claimed these vaccines stop you getting covid. One dose is still doing a good job against severe disease and death. It’s not perfect, but it’s not bad enough to change course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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incident Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Aeroplane Over the Sea said: This may play out to be the case, hopefully… but I think it’s understandable given the new variant that people are worried and that there’s an entirely justifiable discussion to be had about a bit more caution. If it wasn’t for the new variant, I don’t think that we’d be nearly as concerned by what we’ve seen so far would we? I do share the concern that we’re heading to a position where these curtailments are seen as an acceptable new normal and I really think that needs to be avoided, but I think it’s certainly justifiable to be trying to, as they say, make sure this time it’s irreversible. I think that worrying about specific variants is for the most part a bit of a red herring - if the numbers are going up, they're going up regardless of what variant is at play, and right now we're (Nationally) still tracking below the modelled "best case scenario". Even in the NW region which is higher than the rest of the country, they're only very marginally above that scenario. The obvious exception to that is the extent that a variant affects vaccine efficacy - but even then it appears the vaccines hold up well enough against Delta. Bolton has had the Delta variant widespread for over 6 weeks now - they've actually had a higher peak infection rate than they did in the January wave - yet despite that the number of people in Hospital seem to have peaked at less than a third of the numbers from January, with those cases said to be on average a lot less severe. I realise that the evidence from Bolton isn't definitive and is too small a sample size to be guaranteed to scale nationwide - but is there yet any evidence that contradicts it? Anywhere? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kalifire Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, Barry Fish said: Reality is the people who really have something to worry about have had two shots and the rest only ever stood a small chance of complications. That’s not the reality. See here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26 There are still lots of people over 60 who haven’t been fully vaccinated. If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
incident Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Just now, kalifire said: There are still lots of people over 60 who haven’t been fully vaccinated. If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. Avoidable deaths of people who've actively chosen not to protect themselves and others? Absolutely - yes - those are acceptable. That's been a societal norm now since forever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, kalifire said: That’s not the reality. See here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26 There are still lots of people over 60 who haven’t been fully vaccinated. If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. He should say naff all. He's become one of the biggest selfish bollocks on this forum over the past week. And was a bit of a twit to put it mildly before. I swear the content is now just to get reactions but no one can be that naive or that much of an arse without doing so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshD Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 18 minutes ago, kalifire said: If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. Avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for normality. Example given: flu deaths in winter, which we know we can restrict our way into nearly eliminating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 21 minutes ago, kalifire said: That’s not the reality. See here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26 There are still lots of people over 60 who haven’t been fully vaccinated. If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. Theyve been offered it. That’s their choice not the entire nations. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobWillis2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 24 minutes ago, thewayiam said: He should say naff all. He's become one of the biggest selfish bollocks on this forum over the past week. And was a bit of a twit to put it mildly before. I swear the content is now just to get reactions but no one can be that naive or that much of an arse without doing so. @crazyfool1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 25 minutes ago, kalifire said: That’s not the reality. See here: https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/healthandsocialcare/conditionsanddiseases/articles/coronaviruscovid19roundup/2020-03-26 There are still lots of people over 60 who haven’t been fully vaccinated. If you’re suggesting that avoidable deaths are acceptable as a price to pay for ‘normality’, you should say so. If an over 60 chooses not to get the jab then that's on them. It's their own responsibility and it's also a tiny portion of people in the grand scheme of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, BobWillis2 said: @crazyfool1 I’m sure you are very capable of asking the same questions I have on a few occasions … I’m busy watching the football ⚽️ and not really following chat today thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal Schmitt Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: I’m sure you are very capable of asking the same questions I have on a few occasions … I’m busy watching the football ⚽️ and not really following chat today thanks without words - watching too - and I`m shocked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Hannibal Schmitt said: without words - watching too - and I`m shocked Horrid 😢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Havors Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Thankfully he was awake when he left the pitch. Great news. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punksnotdead Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 23 minutes ago, crazyfool1 said: Horrid 😢 Doesn't look good - shocking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punksnotdead Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, Havors said: Thankfully he was awake when he left the pitch. Great news. Thank fuck - I feared the worst. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crazyfool1 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Cease any hostilities for today pls folks x 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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