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Just had a thought about vaccines. This is a question for professor @Toilet Duck

Let's say we get this Oxford vaccine in October and it mainly stops the virus from killing those of us that have it, but it doesn't offer full protection and doesn't have much of an impact on infectivity, but still much better than nothing so we get the jab.

Then in, say January, we get access to another vaccine that does stop it properly, kills the viral load everywhere and stops the spread.  How are the different vaccines likely to interact? Will we end up with confused antibodies? Will the efficaciousness of one vaccine be degraded by the other? Or are they more additive and we just have effectively double protection?

In other words, is there any scenario where getting the Oxford vaccine could be a bad move if it stops something much better from working properly soon afterwards?

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I think on a music festival message board it’s a legitimate question to ask. It doesn’t suggest the OP doesn’t give a shit about anything else. Of course there are much bigger things to be worrie

Like I said I found the comments unfair on our great prime minister anyway downvote removed! Given the circumstances he is doing a brilliant job 

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3 hours ago, crazyfool1 said:

Think it was yesterday I mentioned about the press conferences ending ... here is stage 1 ... so that shit is going to end soon ... now they seem unable to get the health advisors onboard 

 

I wonder how many watched that shit show cummings press conference - i bet that creep got good ratings.

Of course they want to stop them, now that they have shown everyone how disastrous they have been - whitty and vallance will be relived they dont have to stand awkwardly next to that twirp much longer.

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So apparently Boris wasn’t aware he was supposed to be in charge of lifting the lockdown. 
 

It’s a joke, so now they absolve Boris of all blame because he wasn’t in actual charge when he was all along. They are shameless and will do anything to save Boris’ declining poll ratings.

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1 hour ago, Ozanne said:

So apparently Boris wasn’t aware he was supposed to be in charge of lifting the lockdown. 
 

It’s a joke, so now they absolve Boris of all blame because he wasn’t in actual charge when he was all along. They are shameless and will do anything to save Boris’ declining poll ratings.

Jesus!

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12 minutes ago, deepkittycaz said:

I worry that plans like this will encourage people to deliberately try to catch the virus, which isn't desirable surely? 

Happy to get my mind changed on this! 

I don't know how I feel about the idea either, but for different reasons.  What about people who don't use a smart phone, would they not be able to go anywhere?  

On another note, we still seem to be pretty much the only country who is not reporting our recoveries.  Does anyone know why?

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2 minutes ago, Radiochicken said:

Can anyone summaries what it said?

the press release Melvin sent out says...

FULL CAPACITY PLAN


CALL FOR INCREASED TESTING THROUGH INCENTIVES

 

NATIONAL CAMPAIGN TO
RESTART THE LEISURE ECONOMY

 

 

Melvin Benn, Managing Director of Festival Republic has called for the increase of testing in the UK as leisure industries (recreation, entertainment, sports) cannot operate with the measures that are currently in place.

The Full Capacity Plan is an incentive based scheme that will increase public use of the NHS Trace App and increase the participation rates for population tests. This is about restarting the leisure sector of the economy at full capacity.

Working in partnership with the government, a test would allow the public to access the entertainment and leisure sectors e.g. pubs, theatre, gigs and sporting events, creating a personal incentive for the public to be tested and traced. This is a genuine alternative to social distancing.

Melvin Benn said:
“We are currently in a position where the government has capacity to test 1.4 million people a week but testing less than 700k because there is no incentive. My plan is to create incentive, to test at least double the current capacity and be aiming for 12-15 million people a month being tested minimum.  I am proposing The Full Capacity Plan to stimulate the debate about getting back to normal opening rather than partial opening because partial opening is financial disaster opening. I am proposing The Full Capacity Plan because it's simple and easy, inexpensive in comparison to the subsidies that the government is currently paying and very achievable with good organisation.” 

The Full Capacity Plan can be seen here in more detail.

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3 minutes ago, Neil said:

the press release Melvin sent out says...

 

 

Slight aside, but do the government really have the capacity to test 1.4m people a week? I mean they say they do, but they clearly struggle to get the 200k daily without being very very creative with the numbers.

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Just now, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Slight aside, but do the government really have the capacity to test 1.4m people a week? I mean they say they do, but they clearly struggle to get the 200k daily without being very very creative with the numbers.

They struggle to get the 100k daily.

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8 minutes ago, Neil said:

the press release Melvin sent out says...

 

 

Sounds like a great idea to me I'd be all for it.

I'm sure there's some drawbacks here but my brain being desperate for pubs/gigs clearly can't see them currently.

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9 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Slight aside, but do the government really have the capacity to test 1.4m people a week? I mean they say they do, but they clearly struggle to get the 200k daily without being very very creative with the numbers.

here's what I tweeted....

 

 

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2 minutes ago, steviewevie said:

air pollution is back to pre-covid levels in China, so that's good. Way to go humans!

with Minimal use of public transport its unfortunately always going to happen here too  unfortunately  :( 

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25 minutes ago, Deaf Nobby Burton said:

Slight aside, but do the government really have the capacity to test 1.4m people a week? I mean they say they do, but they clearly struggle to get the 200k daily without being very very creative with the numbers.

That's what boris promised: 200k a day, 1.4 million a week. That's why the figures picked I assume....

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This is actually the sort of proposal that at the very least deserves to be debated right now as a whole swathe of the economy and more importantly social fabric is currently being decimated.

Sadly it does depend on the government chipping in with a fully functional and trustworthy app, the ready availability of tests as well as their speedy expedition. All these things look unlikely at them moment, but there must come a point when they run out of mistakes to make and eventually get stuff right.

Well done to Melvin for coming up with a constructive proposal, I sincerely with him every success.

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He has certainly got a point. For so many hospitality type businesses there is no incentive to consider re opening at partial capacity.

the country’s mood is moving towards getting things back towards normality so its time to talk seriously about how we achieve it.

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