thewayiam Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, foolee said: This is getting beyond a joke now. Incredibly bad taste and timing that the news of extensions/lockdowns are always leaked prior to being announced, it just shows a lack a caring on the governments part when the decision adversely effect so many businesses. This just seems never ended. What more can we do than vaccinate the population, we need to get back to normal now. Regarding festivals, I don’t see how they can justify no social distancing at sport events and not allow festivals to go ahead. Surely some announcement will be made that these events can go ahead due to the low numbers coming from the Blossoms and Download trial events, open them up with prior testing and showing proof on entry for now until most are fully vaccinated. Hopefully logic will prevail. The sports events are only going to have 22k out of 90k in Wembley for example. It's a quarter, meaning 2 seats space between everyone. So they aren't justifying no social distancing. It's in place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisco Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 12 minutes ago, thewayiam said: The sports events are only going to have 22k out of 90k in Wembley for example. It's a quarter, meaning 2 seats space between everyone. So they aren't justifying no social distancing. It's in place. Some great social distancing whilst they sit in the same place around the same people for 10 hours Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisco Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 And I know it’s a test event but come on enough is enough now, outdoor stuff should be allowed to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrBarry465 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 42 minutes ago, foolee said: This is getting beyond a joke now. Incredibly bad taste and timing that the news of extensions/lockdowns are always leaked prior to being announced, it just shows a lack a caring on the governments part when the decision adversely effect so many businesses. This just seems never ended. What more can we do than vaccinate the population, we need to get back to normal now. I agree that it's poor taste in terms of leaks and timing. But the population isn't vaccinated, that's the whole point of this..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duke88 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 27 minutes ago, sisco said: Some great social distancing whilst they sit in the same place around the same people for 10 hours Everyone at Edgbaston had to have a negative test to enter, so there's no need for social distancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 I've seen this on here a few times: 'One thing that is often claimed, but attracts scientific scorn, is that the virus must get milder in order to spread more easily'. BBC News - Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Yay, another phrase to get sick of. Enough is enough. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Going to that little mini festival type thing in Manchester again today...where you have to book a table and just stay there and they bring food and drinks to your table. New normal, bit shite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 7 minutes ago, Copperface said: I've seen this on here a few times: 'One thing that is often claimed, but attracts scientific scorn, is that the virus must get milder in order to spread more easily'. BBC News - Covid: Is there a limit to how much worse variants can get? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-57431420 Interesting, stupid bloody virus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 From a mate in Dublin. VID-20210612-WA0000.mp4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Barry Fish said: and the children - don't forget the children.... And the old people. Their vaccines will be running out soon and will need a top up. Edited June 12, 2021 by Rex2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuartbert two hats Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 9 minutes ago, Rex2 said: And the old people. Their vaccines will be running out soon and will need a top up. We don't know when this is going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviewevie Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 Clever maths man on Twitter with thread on vaccine efficacy from latest PHE data Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 56 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said: I agree that it's poor taste in terms of leaks and timing. But the population isn't vaccinated, that's the whole point of this..... The recent data is reaffirming the importance of being fully vaccinated, we should take more time to get many more people 2nd dosed. I also agree the leaks are ridiculous but what can you do nothing this government does matters it seems like. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, stuartbert two hats said: We don't know when this is going to happen. Exactly. So it's not safe to open until we know more Edited June 12, 2021 by Rex2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, sisco said: And I know it’s a test event but come on enough is enough now, outdoor stuff should be allowed to happen. I can't dictate how close they decide to sit, even at a test event. But you can't deny that 22.5k out of 90k is setup for distancing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rex2 Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 minute ago, thewayiam said: I can't dictate how close they decide to sit, even at a test event. But you can't deny that 22.5k out of 90k is setup for distancing. But an open few acres of land isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Copperface Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 (edited) Seems to be a lot of mathematicians/statisticians who are, quite rightly, applying mathematical theories and absolutes, even taking into account confidence intervals, but not accounting for the fact that viruses and nature can unexpectedly do weird and unforeseen things that can render any model useless. Edited June 12, 2021 by Copperface Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 3 minutes ago, Rex2 said: But an open few acres of land isn't? No. Listen to what you are saying. It's open land allowing 90k people. How do they self distance 90k?, living in a dream world. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sisco Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 1 hour ago, duke88 said: Everyone at Edgbaston had to have a negative test to enter, so there's no need for social distancing. Yeah I know, so just say any festival, gig or whatever else can open but need a negative test. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zahidf Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 53 minutes ago, steviewevie said: Yay, another phrase to get sick of. Enough is enough. Perfectly reasonable. The last week a few of the boffins have let the facade slip by talking about masks and social distancing being a permanent thing. Its not a crazy or Fringe thing to not find that acceptable. And I notice the biggest pro lockdown people on here have conspicuously been silent about those comments. They said once the most vulnerable have been offered two jabs, we can get rid of these ridiculous restrictions. If they are moving the goalposts, some of us aren't just going to accept it. And we shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 5 minutes ago, zahidf said: Perfectly reasonable. The last week a few of the boffins have let the facade slip by talking about masks and social distancing being a permanent thing. Its not a crazy or Fringe thing to not find that acceptable. And I notice the biggest pro lockdown people on here have conspicuously been silent about those comments. They said once the most vulnerable have been offered two jabs, we can get rid of these ridiculous restrictions. If they are moving the goalposts, some of us aren't just going to accept it. And we shouldn't. People aren’t ‘pro lockdown’ they just want us to get this thing finished once and for all. Especially now we know how important 2 doses of the vaccines are. Also the goalposts haven’t been moved they have always said that x date is the earliest possible date, they had delays built into the roadmap for this very reason. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewayiam Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 11 minutes ago, Ozanne said: People aren’t ‘pro lockdown’ they just want us to get this thing finished once and for all. Especially now we know how important 2 doses of the vaccines are. Also the goalposts haven’t been moved they have always said that x date is the earliest possible date, they had delays built into the roadmap for this very reason. Can't up vote anymore but basically this. If you chose to take June 21st as gospel then that was you're doing. If you choose to take 19th July as gospel it's also you're doing. You can't just ignore the word proposed and pretend it's not there. Providing this is what is said then large scale events and events that are risking no insurance will postpone. It's either that or risk no event next year or for the foreseeable as I'm guessing some money has been paid at this stage. I myself will miss a July event in an indoor club which has no chance. But two August do's I have with cancel probably too. Getting right upto a month out to then cancel is dangerous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozanne Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 4 minutes ago, thewayiam said: Can't up vote anymore but basically this. If you chose to take June 21st as gospel then that was you're doing. If you choose to take 19th July as gospel it's also you're doing. You can't just ignore the word proposed and pretend it's not there. Providing this is what is said then large scale events and events that are risking no insurance will postpone. It's either that or risk no event next year or for the foreseeable as I'm guessing some money has been paid at this stage. I myself will miss a July event in an indoor club which has no chance. But two August do's I have with cancel probably too. Getting right upto a month out to then cancel is dangerous I don’t mean to sound callous when I say those things above, I really get why some will be upset over a delay. It might not effect me emotionally but for others it will impact them through cancelled events or through mental health reasons. Which is also why I think we need to try to nail this now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radiochicken Posted June 12, 2021 Report Share Posted June 12, 2021 https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-berkshire-57417585 This “quarantine hotel” is slap bang in the middle of the town centre, like couldn’t be more central 😂 Why are we so shit at everything, seriously Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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