When will this shit end?

[MrBarry465]

6 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Don't trust the experts and govt. Constantly moving the goalposts. However if its a time limited extension by 2 weeks or so, that'll probably be OK. Not 'an extension and then we will let you know'. Either it's to get more vaccinations done or it isn't 

Sorry mate but this sort of nonsense thinking "don't trust experts" needs to be stamped out of society. It's illogical and leans into conspiracy theory sort of stuff. Scientists and experts are the EXACT type of people we should be listening to. Politicians, fair enough - but not believing an expert in a field just because they don't follow your own personal narrative is just stupid.

At this point you literally have no logical reason for going against them other than "because I want to".

[zahidf]

13 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

That's my fear.  The talk is 4 weeks to look at the data which is about as long and as open ended as can be.  Its bollocks at this stage for us to extend on such vague terms and for four weeks when businesses are in so much trouble.

IT just annoys me so much when they say 'its only a few weeks'. They downplay the mental impact of lockdown restrictions all the bloody time.

These restrictions should be a last resort, not Plan A. Get a few more million jabs in if necessary for a couple of other weeks and then reopen. Any other reason to extend is unacceptable. 

[zahidf]

10 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Sorry mate but this sort of nonsense thinking "don't trust experts" needs to be stamped out of society. It's illogical and leans into conspiracy theory sort of stuff. Scientists and experts are the EXACT type of people we should be listening to. Politicians, fair enough - but not believing an expert in a field just because they don't follow your own personal narrative is just stupid.

At this point you literally have no logical reason for going against them other than "because I want to".

Well then they shouldnt move the goalposts so much. As more and more peope get double jabbed, theyll be a lot less willing to go along with public health stasi style measures

[MrBarry465]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Well then they shouldnt move the goalposts so much. As more and more peope get double jabbed, theyll be a lot less willing to go along with public health stasi style measures

The 'goal posts' really haven't been moved much this year, but if they need to get moved it's because the situation is evolving rapidly and we need to adapt to ensure we don't put ourselves in a bad situation. That's why I've said getting caught up on and obsessed with dates is stupid, it's not a linear situation.

People have peddle the 'society won't put up with it for much longer' line for a while now. But last time I checked the majority of people are sympathetic to the situation and adapting.

Edited June 11, 2021 by MrBarry465

[Ozanne]

12 minutes ago, zahidf said:

IT just annoys me so much when they say 'its only a few weeks'. They downplay the mental impact of lockdown restrictions all the bloody time.

These restrictions should be a last resort, not Plan A. Get a few more million jabs in if necessary for a couple of other weeks and then reopen. Any other reason to extend is unacceptable. 

I agree lockdown restrictions should be the absolute last resort and having to enact them especially in several occasions is a failure of leadership/government.

[Aeroplane Over the Sea]

They always said, all along, that the June 21st date was the EARLIEST date, and that it would depend on a number of key factors, one of which was the emergence of new variants. They are doing literally exactly what they said they would do - the goalposts aren’t moving at all, the situation is. Lots of what they’ve done through this pandemic has been a shambles but I’m really struggling to see how they can be accused of changing the narrative on this one.

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, Aeroplane Over the Sea said:

They always said, all along, that the June 21st date was the EARLIEST date, and that it would depend on a number of key factors, one of which was the emergence of new variants. They are doing literally exactly what they said they would do - the goalposts aren’t moving at all, the situation is. Lots of what they’ve done through this pandemic has been a shambles but I’m really struggling to see how they can be accused of changing the narrative on this one.

We were told by Matt Hancock to 'cry freedom' once the OVER 70s had been vaccinated, not everyone. The goalposts have moved so far now that they're on the bus home.
 

Theyve definitely moved the goalposts on the goals of the vaccine programme. the Vulnerable should have had their second doses by June 21st. 

[ModernMan]

24 minutes ago, Ozanne said:

I agree lockdown restrictions should be the absolute last resort and having to enact them especially in several occasions is a failure of leadership/government.

Every country in the world must have bad leadership and governments then 🥱

[MrBarry465]

14 minutes ago, zahidf said:

We were told by Matt Hancock to 'cry freedom' once the OVER 70s had been vaccinated, not everyone. The goalposts have moved so far now that they're on the bus home.
 

Theyve definitely moved the goalposts on the goals of the vaccine programme. the Vulnerable should have had their second doses by June 21st. 

Didn't they push out the vulnerables doses by several weeks if not more, to ensure better coverage of first jab?

Around half way through the program that was heralded as a masterstroke, but I reckon if they had their time again they would reevaluate. 

Can't blaim them though, again situation is evolving rapidly. 

[Barry Fish]

53 minutes ago, zahidf said:

IT just annoys me so much when they say 'its only a few weeks'. They downplay the mental impact of lockdown restrictions all the bloody time.

These restrictions should be a last resort, not Plan A. Get a few more million jabs in if necessary for a couple of other weeks and then reopen. Any other reason to extend is unacceptable. 

A four week delay will wreck my daughters end of primary school celebration.  She will never have that again.  One small example of once in a lifetime events people are having taken away.

Add this to the school trips, residentials, over a year of schooling, missed birthday parties etc

She is tough but it's really starting to upset her now.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Barry Fish

[zahidf]

3 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

A four week delay will wreck my daughters end of primary school celebration.  She will never have that again.  One small example of once in a lifetime events people are having taken away.

Add this to the school trips, residentials, over a year of schooling, missed birthday parties etc

She is tough but it's really starting to upset her now.

Look, stop being so selfish. Its ONLY a few weeks delay. Sit her down and explain how its all for the greater good probably. Maybe. Lets just upset people 'just in case', its no big deal apparently

Oh, look another boffin trying to keep us all in restrictions

'

Jim McManus, vice-president of the Association of Directors of Public Health, said a complete lifting of measures risked cases and hospitalisations rising further, potentially leading to more variants that could undermine the vaccine rollout.

 

He suggested that social distancing and wearing face masks should stay in place for the foreseeable future.'

Edited June 11, 2021 by zahidf

[Barry Fish]

7 minutes ago, zahidf said:

Look, stop being so selfish. Its ONLY a few weeks delay. Sit her down and explain how its all for the greater good probably. Maybe. Lets just upset people 'just in case', its no big deal apparently

Oh, look another boffin trying to keep us all in restrictions

'

Jim McManus, vice-president of the Association of Directors of Public Health, said a complete lifting of measures risked cases and hospitalisations rising further, potentially leading to more variants that could undermine the vaccine rollout.

 

He suggested that social distancing and wearing face masks should stay in place for the foreseeable future.'

These weirdos say this stuff like it's in our power in the UK to stop variants.  We could mask up forever but the USA etc have thrown them in the bin so it's fruitless endeavour unless you close the borders forever which we are never going to do.

Boris needs to lead now.  There suggestions of masks for years are not okay.

Some of these experts aren't looking at the bigger picture clearly.

Edited June 11, 2021 by Barry Fish

[efcfanwirral]

1 hour ago, MrBarry465 said:

Sorry mate but this sort of nonsense thinking "don't trust experts" needs to be stamped out of society. It's illogical and leans into conspiracy theory sort of stuff. Scientists and experts are the EXACT type of people we should be listening to. Politicians, fair enough - but not believing an expert in a field just because they don't follow your own personal narrative is just stupid.

At this point you literally have no logical reason for going against them other than "because I want to".

"Shut up and do as you're told" - exactly the society we now live in 

[MrBarry465]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

"Shut up and do as you're told" - exactly the society we now live in 

Not really though is it?

We've come through a pandemic and the authorities have tried to do what they could to control it. 

And yes I would prefer to live in a society where we listened to intelligent people and followed good solid scientific advice, rather than running around like a bunch of spastic monkeys.

Edited June 11, 2021 by MrBarry465

[zahidf]

someone furiously backpedalling

[zahidf]

Open up

 

[MrBarry465]

7 minutes ago, Barry Fish said:

 We could mask up forever but the USA etc have thrown them in the bin

Why should we give a shit about what that lot are doing?

They aren't some sort of societal barometer to aspire to mate. 

[MrBarry465]

2 minutes ago, zahidf said:

someone furiously backpedalling

Not really.

She's probably just realised there are a lot of nutjob clowns who lack any critical thinking skills and totally went overboard on what she was saying and she's now had to spell it out for them.

[efcfanwirral]

1 minute ago, MrBarry465 said:

Why should we give a shit about what that lot are doing?

They aren't some sort of societal barometer to aspire to mate. 

And shitty little England and tory land is fucking brilliant right?

[MrBarry465]

1 minute ago, efcfanwirral said:

And shitty little England and tory land is fucking brilliant right?

No it's not. But last time I checked there is a broader spectrum of countries than the US and GB right>? 

But pudding the USA on a pedestal because they aren't wearing masks is pretty inane. They've had a borderline psycopath running the country for the previous 4 years, lets put things into perspective. 

Edited June 11, 2021 by MrBarry465

[CurlyPutz]

9 hours ago, stuartbert two hats said:

I'm having a totally different read on this "headache" thing. It's not a headache rather than needing to go ona be ventilator and nearly dying. It's a headache instead of a persistent cough, raised temperature + loss of smell. It's nothing to do with severity, it's just how it most commonly presents now.

If you get seriously ill, you'll have other symptoms. Remember, most cases have always been mild. The fact that a headache is now the most common symptom says nothing about the overall severity.

We had the Kent favour back in late Jan (my wife picked it up in the nursery she works at) and that started with a massive headache and general knackeredness and progressed to kick our collective arses for a good few weeks. We didnt even think Covid until it had spread to all our family members because there was no cough or breathlessness at the start.  PHE were working with the nursery as it had to close and they stated at the time that headache was a common starting symptom.

[steviewevie]

1 hour ago, squirrelarmy said:

Why are we calling it freedom day? It’s not like we’re locked up in our houses now and unable to do anything. Stupid tabloids. 

crg and various dumbarse newspapers.

[efcfanwirral]

23 minutes ago, MrBarry465 said:

Not really though is it?

We've come through a pandemic and the authorities have tried to do what they could to control it. 

And yes I would prefer to live in a society where we listened to intelligent people and followed good solid scientific advice, rather than running around like a bunch of spastic monkeys.

But different scientists have different views. Do we only need to listen to the ones the politicians choose?

[steviewevie]

Any delay will be curtains for my kid's end of school prom thing which was supposed to be on later this month. Sad really, but what can you do. They'll probably all go to the park have more fun anyway...

[steviewevie]

2 minutes ago, efcfanwirral said:

But different scientists have different views. Do we only need to listen to the ones the politicians choose?

No, and the scientists talking to the politicians will have different views...but usually a consensus forms, and then someone has to make a decision looking at all the factors...economic, behavioural and social stuff etc etc.